Summer Transfer Window 2025 | Official Thread

[stubbo-admin]

May as well get going with this since with Sullivan at the helm, season ticket renewals slow, and the football vacuum to commence, this will soon be all the "news" there is.

Can Potter and MacCauley pull multiple rabbits out of the hat, or will Sullivan 'try really hard' with all of them before grabbing a few aging bargains from Big Willie Salthouse?

Window this close season comes in two parts:

Part 1: 1st June to 10th June
Part 2: 16th June to 1st September

Rumoured Outs...most of the squad

Let the "Rumoured In's" commence. 

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Player | Position | Club | Fee (GBP)

Rumoured In

1. Daniel Cummings | ST | Celtic
2. Koni De Winter | CB | Genoa
3. Morten Frendrup | DM | Genoa
4. Richard Kone | ST | Wycombe
5. Aaron Ramsdale | GK | Southampton
6. Caiomin Kelleher | GK | Liverpool
7. James Trafford | GK | Burnley
8. Kyle Walker-Peters | FB | Free Agent
9. Taylor Harwood-Bellis | CB | Southampton
10. CJ Egan-Riley | CB | Free Agent
11. Josh Brownhill | CM | Free Agent
12. Albian Hajdari | CB | Lugano
13. Lucas Høgsberg | CB | FC Nordsjælland
14. Ardon Jashari | CM | Brugge
15. Raphael Onyedika | CM | Brugge
16. James McAtee | AM | Man City
17. Mario Struykens | AM | Anderlecht
18. Mathias Kvistgaarden | ST | Brondby
19. Clement Bischoff | LB | Brondby
20. Mika Biereth | FW | Monaco
21. Barış Alper Yılmaz | AM | Galatasaray
22. Evann Guessand | ST | Nice
23. Lucas Stassin | ST | Saint Etienne
24. Marcus Taverner | FW | Bournemouth
25. Soungoutoo Magassa | CDM | Monaco
26. Valentin Atangana | CM | Stade Reims
27. Mads Hermansen | GK | Leicester City
28. Hamza Igamane | ST | Rangers
29. Yeremay | FW | Deportivo La Coruna
30. Adama Bojang | ST | Reims
31. Rocco Reitz | MF | Borussia Moenchengladbach
32. Dominic Calvert-Lewin | ST | Free Agent
33. El Hadji Malick Diouf | LB | SK Slavia Prague
34. Oscar Mingueza | RB/MF | Celta Vigo
35. Tyler Morton | CM | Liverpool
36. Harvey Elliott | AM | Liverpool
37. Zion Suzuki | GK | Parma
38. John Victor | GK | Botofogo 
39. Jacob Ramsey | MF | Villa
40. Mateus Fernandes | CM | Southampton
41. Nga Makou | CM | Lille
42. Quinten Timber | CM
43. Hayden Hackney | CM | Boro
44. Yves Bissouma | CM | Spurs

Rumoured Out

1. Nayef Aguerd | CB | Leverkusen, Marseile
2. Maxel Cornet | FW | Genoa/Others
3. Guido Rodriguez | DM | Betis/Espanyol
4. Tomas Soucek | CM | Everton
5. Michail Antonio | ST | Free Agent
6. Mo Kudus | FW | Chelsea/Newcastle/Arsenal
7. Lucas Paqueta | AM | Man City
8. Andy Irving | CM | Celtic/Wrexham
9. Emerson | LB | Marseille

Confirmed In

1. Jean Clair Todibo | CB | Loan To Perm (32m)
2. Daniel Cummings | ST | Celtic (Free Agent...Tribunal)
3. El Hadji Malick Diouf | LWB | Slavia Prahia | 20m
4. Kyle Walker-Peters | RWB | Free Agent
5. C****m Wilson | ST | Free Agent
6. Mads Hermansen | GK | Leicester (18m)
7. Mateus Fernandes | CM | Southampton (38m + 4m)
8. Soungoutoo Magassa | CDM | Monaco (17m)
9. Igor Julio | CB | Brighton (Loan)

Confirmed Out

1. Aaron Cresswell | LB | Free Agent | 0m
2. Danny Ings | ST | Free Agent | 0m
3. Vladimir Coufal | RB | Free Agent | 0m
4. Lukusz Fabianski | GK | Free Agent | 0m
5. Kamari Swyer | AM | Free Agent | 0m
6. Kurt Zouma | CB | Free Agent | 0m
7. Carlos Soler | CM | PSG | End of Loan
8. Evan Ferguson | ST | Brighton | End of Loan
9. Brad Dolaghan | Released
10. Dondre Abraham | Released
11. Mehmet Halim | Released
12. Muhammed Judus |stroppy| sp*rs| £55m
13. Michail Antonio | Released
14. Kieran Casey | Swansea | Loan
15. Edson Alvarez | Fenerbache | Loan with Option
16. Emerson | Marseille | £1m
17. Aguerd | Marseille | £20m
18. Max Cornet | Genoa | Loan

[Massive Attack]

Just 13 days left of the Summer Window and all we've managed to get in for the Senior Squad is:


Goalkeeper - £18M
Left Back - £20M
Right Back (Cover) - Free
Striker (Cover) - Free 

Outgoings:

Kudus - £55M


Then you hear from the Club that we still have to sell before we can buy, even though we've already cleared the decks with regards to wages.





As for the infamous song goes..

"FUCK OFF KARREN AND SULLY, WHERE'S THE FUCKING MONEY? IT'S ALL LIES, LIES, LIES!"

[Fauxstralian]

Bids in ,eh?
Weve known for a year or more that our midfield needed legs & energy 
Saw a quote that we were exploring other players
Weve done more exploring that Christopher Fucking Columbus
This should have been sorted on July 1

Emerson has been surprisingly good for us but dropped off last season
If he wants to go & we want him gone why is this still not done?

[nychammer]

Basically no news.

Sullivan came out last week saying we had 'bids in'.

Names in the frame once again:

Fernandes
Makau
Santos

And now some lad from Barca.

Supposedly we're testing the waters with bids.  Why not just phone the cunts up, ask what they want for the player, tap him up thru his agent, open the bid 10m lower, then meet in the middle of the player indicates he's keen?

Is it really that complicated?

 

THIS really fucks me off. Scattergun bids for players and see what sticks, rather than go for the player the coaches and manager believe is the best fit and pay the fucking asking price like successful clubs invariably do.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

 

Horseshit. Clearly our first choice for most of his time here, was arguably our best player in the Conf League final and has been generally regarded as a very solid signing for 15/16/17 million. Even last season when he was off the boil I reckon he had double the games of Scarles and probably Cresswell too, who was often playing in the same team at left CB.

You've literally just agreed with me.

Apart from your opinion that he's been generally considered a solid signing.

No, I've disagreed with pretty much every one of your poorly though out words. You had a bang on the head?

You concede that he wasn't very good last year. In his first season he only got 16 PL starts. You can only claim that he was first choice 'for most of his time here' (in other words, didn't fully establish himself over Cresswell and Scarles). He's started just 77 PL games in three seasons. And he's been mostly cack.

You need to read things more carefully. He's been a terrible signing.

[Vexed]

Emerson has been a complete waste of money. Under three managers he never fully established himself over the geriatric Cresswell or the adolescent Scarles.

 

Horseshit. Clearly our first choice for most of his time here, was arguably our best player in the Conf League final and has been generally regarded as a very solid signing for 15/16/17 million. Even last season when he was off the boil I reckon he had double the games of Scarles and probably Cresswell too, who was often playing in the same team at left CB.

You've literally just agreed with me.

Apart from your opinion that he's been generally considered a solid signing.

No, I've disagreed with pretty much every one of your poorly though out words. You had a bang on the head?

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Emerson has been a complete waste of money. Under three managers he never fully established himself over the geriatric Cresswell or the adolescent Scarles.

 

Horseshit. Clearly our first choice for most of his time here, was arguably our best player in the Conf League final and has been generally regarded as a very solid signing for 15/16/17 million. Even last season when he was off the boil I reckon he had double the games of Scarles and probably Cresswell too, who was often playing in the same team at left CB.

You've literally just agreed with me.

Apart from your opinion that he's been generally considered a solid signing.

[Vexed]

Emerson has been a complete waste of money. Under three managers he never fully established himself over the geriatric Cresswell or the adolescent Scarles.

 

 

Horseshit. Clearly our first choice for most of his time here, was arguably our best player in the Conf League final and has been generally regarded as a very solid signing for 15/16/17 million. Even last season when he was off the boil I reckon he had double the games of Scarles and probably Cresswell too, who was often playing in the same team at left CB.

[Barty888]

[stubbo-admin]

Basically no news.

Sullivan came out last week saying we had 'bids in'.

Names in the frame once again:

Fernandes
Makau
Santos

And now some lad from Barca.

Supposedly we're testing the waters with bids.  Why not just phone the cunts up, ask what they want for the player, tap him up thru his agent, open the bid 10m lower, then meet in the middle of the player indicates he's keen?

Is it really that complicated?

[Massive Attack]

Don't go to

[Barty888]

[honky cat]

I thought he (emerson) was excellent the season before last. 
no seems intetested in him, but thats our  main problem - we cant shift anyone - and even the devil himself Sullivan would be justified in not wanting to spend any more on players before the likes of emerson, cornet and another 5 or 6 are moved on.
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[eusebiovic]

Emerson has been a complete waste of money. Under three managers he never fully established himself over the geriatric Cresswell or the adolescent Scarles.

He was an overrated squad filler at Chelsea...never understood the hype. 

I was extremely underwhelmed when he got a four year contract on generous wages. He strikes me as one of those players that if he wants does most things reasonably well but doesn't do it consistently because he can't really be arsed to motivate himself.

Exactly the kind of player who often ends up at WH due to our ownership

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Emerson has been a complete waste of money. Under three managers he never fully established himself over the geriatric Cresswell or the adolescent Scarles.

[threesixty]

 

You could accuse them of picking their jobs badly. But I'm sure Sullivan was flagrantly lying to their faces about what sort of backing they could expect to get them to sign on the dotted line. To be fair Lop was at least halfway backed and bought some total shit although still had to put up with the obligatory Sullivan specials all the while Stiedten was trying to fill his separate brief as well. That's not a recipe for disaster at all. Lop got to buy half a team (badly) and failed. Potter hasn't even had that. They've let him have a left back and a goalie so far while getting rid of over half a dozen players for virtually fuck all such is the collossal amount of shit stinking up our dressing room. We're trying to get rid of half a dozen more but no-one wants them. If that doesn't tell you something...

As I keep saying I'll see what happens if and when they actually furnish him with a functional midfield. There's no chance of replacing any of the shit at centre back that the previous managers brought in. We are brutally shit all through the spine of the team. These are absolutely worse players than at Newcastle. Howe also has been heavily backed by his owners what would have been the equivalent of this window, and we all knew Steve Bruce was way out of his depth there in the first place. Not sure what saying Everton are fucking shit as well actually proves.

Getting rid of Potter won't change a thing. It'll just cause even more chaos and damage lurching from one short sighted half arsed appointment to the next. It'll be someone else cheap who has to deal with even less backing and probably an even shitter squad.

 

Sullivan isn’t lying to anyone. They know what he’s about. They come into this job with their eyes open. I think you don’t get that there are only 20 PL management jobs in the world. This is the top league in the world. Managers are BEGGING for these roles. Only decorated managers like Conte are telling PL clubs to fuck off. 

also, Newcastle didn’t spend much money at all when they got Howe. He coached his way out of the crap. Didn’t spend much at all. 

And can we please stop saying every manager “needs their own squad”. It’s utter bollocks. It’s become some fashion statement. No other leagues think like that. It’s wrong. In other countries they have DOF’s mostly so no coach gets to have their own players before they do anything useful. It’s just a lie. 
. 

Every manager does need their own squad or at least some significant update to it when the players he inherits aren't capable of doing the owner has brought said manager in to do. The reason why so many managers can slot in quite nicely is their owners have put together a system of which the manager is a part, picked to fit what the club is trying to do to ensure continuity of style and success. We are just drunkenly lurching all over the place with our last three managers wildly differing in terms of how they want to try and achieve success on the pitch. This requires a change in personnel each time which is simply not happening here. Half the squad are Moyes players incapable of playing how Lop or Potter want. This is a huge problem and requires backing financially to address- far more than has been made available. It's 100% not a lie, it's just another indication of how badly West Ham are run from boardroom level downward.

If managers are begging for Premier league roles, then how come a plethora of 'better' managers didn't fall over themselves for the job after Moyes or Lop? How come we don't just have the world's best 20 coaches plying their trade here? How come Moyes is employed here? Scott Parker, Keith Andrews? Not to mention recent managers like Dyche or multiple failures like Lampard? That's just a nonsense statement. It also stands to reason then that if Potter is that bad why did we employ him and not one of the world class managers knocking Sullivan's door down? If the answer is because he's cheap, then that's on Sullivan once again for wrecking our club.

As for saying Sullivan isn't lying to anyone... come on.

 

 

It’s weird that all these players have been labelled “Moyes” players as if they are some “skill challenged” players not capable of playing any other type of football. 

Emerson has played for Chelsea, Italy national team and won every trophy available. 
Soucek, Czech captain, different player in international tournaments. 
Paqueta , braziilain star player. 
Alvarez: Mexican captain , player of South American tournament 
agurerd - one of the best defenders in la Liga last year. 

etc etc. 
all these players have played in passing and attacking sides. They can all play multiple styles of football. That’s why they are professional players on around 100 bags a week. 

its their coach who tells them how to play in that team. And they follow the instructions as close as they can. 

the idea that they can’t adapt is just laughable. Alvarez and kudus were at Ajax. One of the most attacking passing sides in world football!

as for the managers. Sullivan doesn’t want to pay compensation. That’s all it is. So he gets out of work managers who are DESPERATE to get a job in the PL. which is probably why they agree to his stupid behaviour.
But come on, you think he couldn’t have got Glasner? He got Pelligrini who had won a title. Sullivan can get anyone to manage this club. He has the money. He just likes arse kissers who need a job, that’s all. 

[Massive Attack]

Mex Martillos heads going to explode soon.  

[El Scorchio]

I thought Wrexham will get found out this season as reaching far beyond their spending power, depressing to see they've spent more than us

They could probably give us a decent game to be honest. I might even be glad to swap a player or two with them.

[El Scorchio]

 

As much as Sulivan is ultimately to blame just as any chairman is, the situation isn’t totally out of Potters control. More importantly, if you take on a job with the visibility a football manager has compared to other forms of work, well, you’re far more to blame than most other managers coming into new roles.

Thats why it was always baffling when Loppy had been “watching West Ham for months” yet puts out a batshit crazy team. Thats on him. It’s called “due diligence” I believe, and unlike most jobs coaches know a lot about the teams they are inheriting. 

Not all chairman and bosses are helpful, but that’s the fucking job. Thats why you get millions a year and compensation if they boot you out. I cant hear excuses for Potter, I really can’t.
Unless half your squad dropped dead somewhere what is the excuse? I’m not interested in “youth aren’t ready” when Barca are out there playing 15,16 and 17 yr olds in Champions League games. The Brazillian guy we got was a 1st team player in Brazil along with some other lads who have played in Europe now. 

I just think that people rationalise whats going on instead of just looking at it objectively. He isnt a good coach at this level. End of story. If he was his record would show that. He has had the necessary time to show his coaching skill. He’s been at a rich club with resources and he still wasnt good. And if you dont think ego’s and spite etc. are not part of a managers tool box, you only have to look at Alex Fergusson who was a master at that shit. He got rid of great players (Stam, Keane etc) because to him, controlling the team psychologically was more important than how skillfull each player was.

I just saw newly promoted Leeds with Dan fucking James tear Everton apart skill wise. You cant tell me that our squad cannot play good football. It’s the fucking manager. Not Sullivan. You cant say “he’s selling our best players, it’s Sullivan a fault” because Potter had the same players for 6 months and done fuck all. He even had Fullkrug which Loppy couldn’t use. He also took Kudus’ money and bought a GK, and two wingbacks to show what’s more important to him.

People were saying the same thing about Steve Bruce. Oh it’s not his fault blah blah. Swapped him with an actual good coach, with the same players (I think all they got in was trippier) and they were in the top 6 after flirting with relegation. It’s always the coach.

We cant do anything about Sullivan. But Potter can go if he doesnt sort out his shit very fucking fast. He has no excuses. Even he knows it which is why he just waffles all the fucking time.

[sorry for the war and peace, he just annoys me. TLDR: Potter is crap]

 

You could accuse them of picking their jobs badly. But I'm sure Sullivan was flagrantly lying to their faces about what sort of backing they could expect to get them to sign on the dotted line. To be fair Lop was at least halfway backed and bought some total shit although still had to put up with the obligatory Sullivan specials all the while Stiedten was trying to fill his separate brief as well. That's not a recipe for disaster at all. Lop got to buy half a team (badly) and failed. Potter hasn't even had that. They've let him have a left back and a goalie so far while getting rid of over half a dozen players for virtually fuck all such is the collossal amount of shit stinking up our dressing room. We're trying to get rid of half a dozen more but no-one wants them. If that doesn't tell you something...

As I keep saying I'll see what happens if and when they actually furnish him with a functional midfield. There's no chance of replacing any of the shit at centre back that the previous managers brought in. We are brutally shit all through the spine of the team. These are absolutely worse players than at Newcastle. Howe also has been heavily backed by his owners what would have been the equivalent of this window, and we all knew Steve Bruce was way out of his depth there in the first place. Not sure what saying Everton are fucking shit as well actually proves.

Getting rid of Potter won't change a thing. It'll just cause even more chaos and damage lurching from one short sighted half arsed appointment to the next. It'll be someone else cheap who has to deal with even less backing and probably an even shitter squad.

 

Sullivan isn’t lying to anyone. They know what he’s about. They come into this job with their eyes open. I think you don’t get that there are only 20 PL management jobs in the world. This is the top league in the world. Managers are BEGGING for these roles. Only decorated managers like Conte are telling PL clubs to fuck off. 

also, Newcastle didn’t spend much money at all when they got Howe. He coached his way out of the crap. Didn’t spend much at all. 

And can we please stop saying every manager “needs their own squad”. It’s utter bollocks. It’s become some fashion statement. No other leagues think like that. It’s wrong. In other countries they have DOF’s mostly so no coach gets to have their own players before they do anything useful. It’s just a lie. 
. 

Every manager does need their own squad or at least some significant update to it when the players he inherits aren't capable of doing the owner has brought said manager in to do. The reason why so many managers can slot in quite nicely is their owners have put together a system of which the manager is a part, picked to fit what the club is trying to do to ensure continuity of style and success. We are just drunkenly lurching all over the place with our last three managers wildly differing in terms of how they want to try and achieve success on the pitch. This requires a change in personnel each time which is simply not happening here. Half the squad are Moyes players incapable of playing how Lop or Potter want. This is a huge problem and requires backing financially to address- far more than has been made available. It's 100% not a lie, it's just another indication of how badly West Ham are run from boardroom level downward.

If managers are begging for Premier league roles, then how come a plethora of 'better' managers didn't fall over themselves for the job after Moyes or Lop? How come we don't just have the world's best 20 coaches plying their trade here? How come Moyes is employed here? Scott Parker, Keith Andrews? Not to mention recent managers like Dyche or multiple failures like Lampard? That's just a nonsense statement. It also stands to reason then that if Potter is that bad why did we employ him and not one of the world class managers knocking Sullivan's door down? If the answer is because he's cheap, then that's on Sullivan once again for wrecking our club.

As for saying Sullivan isn't lying to anyone... come on.

[Mr Anon]

I thought Wrexham will get found out this season as reaching far beyond their spending power, depressing to see they've spent more than us

[threesixty]

No I can't, because he wouldn't be a football manager for very long if that were the case and we all know Sullivan has outrageous form for fucking his managers about and dealing in half measures. He wants you to think Potter is the cause of the problems because then you're not looking at him. Hook line and sinker. The managers are a succession of fall guys.
As I said, if he gets the midfielders he wants with no half measures or compromises, I think it'll look different. However I think he'll get one midfielder he wants and one half measure. And so it will go on. Sullivan short changing his managers and chucking them under the bus if and when it goes wrong.

 

As much as Sulivan is ultimately to blame just as any chairman is, the situation isn’t totally out of Potters control. More importantly, if you take on a job with the visibility a football manager has compared to other forms of work, well, you’re far more to blame than most other managers coming into new roles.

Thats why it was always baffling when Loppy had been “watching West Ham for months” yet puts out a batshit crazy team. Thats on him. It’s called “due diligence” I believe, and unlike most jobs coaches know a lot about the teams they are inheriting. 

Not all chairman and bosses are helpful, but that’s the fucking job. Thats why you get millions a year and compensation if they boot you out. I cant hear excuses for Potter, I really can’t.
Unless half your squad dropped dead somewhere what is the excuse? I’m not interested in “youth aren’t ready” when Barca are out there playing 15,16 and 17 yr olds in Champions League games. The Brazillian guy we got was a 1st team player in Brazil along with some other lads who have played in Europe now. 

I just think that people rationalise whats going on instead of just looking at it objectively. He isnt a good coach at this level. End of story. If he was his record would show that. He has had the necessary time to show his coaching skill. He’s been at a rich club with resources and he still wasnt good. And if you dont think ego’s and spite etc. are not part of a managers tool box, you only have to look at Alex Fergusson who was a master at that shit. He got rid of great players (Stam, Keane etc) because to him, controlling the team psychologically was more important than how skillfull each player was.

I just saw newly promoted Leeds with Dan fucking James tear Everton apart skill wise. You cant tell me that our squad cannot play good football. It’s the fucking manager. Not Sullivan. You cant say “he’s selling our best players, it’s Sullivan a fault” because Potter had the same players for 6 months and done fuck all. He even had Fullkrug which Loppy couldn’t use. He also took Kudus’ money and bought a GK, and two wingbacks to show what’s more important to him.

People were saying the same thing about Steve Bruce. Oh it’s not his fault blah blah. Swapped him with an actual good coach, with the same players (I think all they got in was trippier) and they were in the top 6 after flirting with relegation. It’s always the coach.

We cant do anything about Sullivan. But Potter can go if he doesnt sort out his shit very fucking fast. He has no excuses. Even he knows it which is why he just waffles all the fucking time.

[sorry for the war and peace, he just annoys me. TLDR: Potter is crap]

 

You could accuse them of picking their jobs badly. But I'm sure Sullivan was flagrantly lying to their faces about what sort of backing they could expect to get them to sign on the dotted line. To be fair Lop was at least halfway backed and bought some total shit although still had to put up with the obligatory Sullivan specials all the while Stiedten was trying to fill his separate brief as well. That's not a recipe for disaster at all. Lop got to buy half a team (badly) and failed. Potter hasn't even had that. They've let him have a left back and a goalie so far while getting rid of over half a dozen players for virtually fuck all such is the collossal amount of shit stinking up our dressing room. We're trying to get rid of half a dozen more but no-one wants them. If that doesn't tell you something...

As I keep saying I'll see what happens if and when they actually furnish him with a functional midfield. There's no chance of replacing any of the shit at centre back that the previous managers brought in. We are brutally shit all through the spine of the team. These are absolutely worse players than at Newcastle. Howe also has been heavily backed by his owners what would have been the equivalent of this window, and we all knew Steve Bruce was way out of his depth there in the first place. Not sure what saying Everton are fucking shit as well actually proves.

Getting rid of Potter won't change a thing. It'll just cause even more chaos and damage lurching from one short sighted half arsed appointment to the next. It'll be someone else cheap who has to deal with even less backing and probably an even shitter squad.

 

 

Sullivan isn’t lying to anyone. They know what he’s about. They come into this job with their eyes open. I think you don’t get that there are only 20 PL management jobs in the world. This is the top league in the world. Managers are BEGGING for these roles. Only decorated managers like Conte are telling PL clubs to fuck off. 

also, Newcastle didn’t spend much money at all when they got Howe. He coached his way out of the crap. Didn’t spend much at all. 

And can we please stop saying every manager “needs their own squad”. It’s utter bollocks. It’s become some fashion statement. No other leagues think like that. It’s wrong. In other countries they have DOF’s mostly so no coach gets to have their own players before they do anything useful. It’s just a lie. 
. 

[twoleftfeet]

If potter shifts Alvarez and get's Santos on loan and buys Mukau I'll be happy

 
Is this the same Santos who went on loan to Forest and played 1 game in 5 months? Very JWP like.

[Massive Attack]

Is it WHO can write the longest post competition day?
I cannot handle reading that much, fucking crap.

So many words just to say we are screwed.

[Barty888]

If potter shifts Alvarez and get's Santos on loan and buys Mukau I'll be happy

[El Scorchio]

 

This is called a “coping mechanism”. In your head you can’t believe a football manager would make such poor choices without serious extenuating circumstances. I get it. Potter doesn’t explain ANYTHING football wise in any interview or press conference on purpose, so he can allow this coping mechanism to flourish in our minds.

But the truth will set you free! Time reveals all etc,, and it’s 8 months in. And this is what we have.

I remember when Moyes did an interview and he said he rejected Man City/Ateltico’s Alvarez. My jaw dropped. He literally thought a 30+ yr old Antonio was a better forward than Alvarez who went on to win the PL, the South American cup and the World Cup.

I then realised that sometimes you get into management positions in football because your ego is the size of a pickup truck and you believe your own PR a bit too much. And you will do ANYTHING to protect your ego and the perception that you are right all the time. And thats the reason so many of them make decisions that seem utterly baffling, week after week. I’m seeing the same in Potter. I hope he goes guns blazing at Chelsea and realises that he HAS to show the fans he is doing EVERYTHING to turn it around and would rather go out blazing than this tepid side to side crab football shit he has devised.

Fingers crossed all my comments are utterly misplaced…

No I can't, because he wouldn't be a football manager for very long if that were the case and we all know Sullivan has outrageous form for fucking his managers about and dealing in half measures. He wants you to think Potter is the cause of the problems because then you're not looking at him. Hook line and sinker. The managers are a succession of fall guys.
As I said, if he gets the midfielders he wants with no half measures or compromises, I think it'll look different. However I think he'll get one midfielder he wants and one half measure. And so it will go on. Sullivan short changing his managers and chucking them under the bus if and when it goes wrong.

 

As much as Sulivan is ultimately to blame just as any chairman is, the situation isn’t totally out of Potters control. More importantly, if you take on a job with the visibility a football manager has compared to other forms of work, well, you’re far more to blame than most other managers coming into new roles.

Thats why it was always baffling when Loppy had been “watching West Ham for months” yet puts out a batshit crazy team. Thats on him. It’s called “due diligence” I believe, and unlike most jobs coaches know a lot about the teams they are inheriting. 

Not all chairman and bosses are helpful, but that’s the fucking job. Thats why you get millions a year and compensation if they boot you out. I cant hear excuses for Potter, I really can’t.
Unless half your squad dropped dead somewhere what is the excuse? I’m not interested in “youth aren’t ready” when Barca are out there playing 15,16 and 17 yr olds in Champions League games. The Brazillian guy we got was a 1st team player in Brazil along with some other lads who have played in Europe now. 

I just think that people rationalise whats going on instead of just looking at it objectively. He isnt a good coach at this level. End of story. If he was his record would show that. He has had the necessary time to show his coaching skill. He’s been at a rich club with resources and he still wasnt good. And if you dont think ego’s and spite etc. are not part of a managers tool box, you only have to look at Alex Fergusson who was a master at that shit. He got rid of great players (Stam, Keane etc) because to him, controlling the team psychologically was more important than how skillfull each player was.

I just saw newly promoted Leeds with Dan fucking James tear Everton apart skill wise. You cant tell me that our squad cannot play good football. It’s the fucking manager. Not Sullivan. You cant say “he’s selling our best players, it’s Sullivan a fault” because Potter had the same players for 6 months and done fuck all. He even had Fullkrug which Loppy couldn’t use. He also took Kudus’ money and bought a GK, and two wingbacks to show what’s more important to him.

People were saying the same thing about Steve Bruce. Oh it’s not his fault blah blah. Swapped him with an actual good coach, with the same players (I think all they got in was trippier) and they were in the top 6 after flirting with relegation. It’s always the coach.

We cant do anything about Sullivan. But Potter can go if he doesnt sort out his shit very fucking fast. He has no excuses. Even he knows it which is why he just waffles all the fucking time.

[sorry for the war and peace, he just annoys me. TLDR: Potter is crap]

 

 

You could accuse them of picking their jobs badly. But I'm sure Sullivan was flagrantly lying to their faces about what sort of backing they could expect to get them to sign on the dotted line. To be fair Lop was at least halfway backed and bought some total shit although still had to put up with the obligatory Sullivan specials all the while Stiedten was trying to fill his separate brief as well. That's not a recipe for disaster at all. Lop got to buy half a team (badly) and failed. Potter hasn't even had that. They've let him have a left back and a goalie so far while getting rid of over half a dozen players for virtually fuck all such is the collossal amount of shit stinking up our dressing room. We're trying to get rid of half a dozen more but no-one wants them. If that doesn't tell you something...

As I keep saying I'll see what happens if and when they actually furnish him with a functional midfield. There's no chance of replacing any of the shit at centre back that the previous managers brought in. We are brutally shit all through the spine of the team. These are absolutely worse players than at Newcastle. Howe also has been heavily backed by his owners what would have been the equivalent of this window, and we all knew Steve Bruce was way out of his depth there in the first place. Not sure what saying Everton are fucking shit as well actually proves.

Getting rid of Potter won't change a thing. It'll just cause even more chaos and damage lurching from one short sighted half arsed appointment to the next. It'll be someone else cheap who has to deal with even less backing and probably an even shitter squad.

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Is it WHO can write the longest post competition day?
I cannot handle reading that much, fucking crap.

So many words just to say we are screwed.