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Boxing

Posted: 13 Oct 2025, 05:51
by Nutsin
Fights that would have had a different outcome if both fighters were in their prime.

I’ll go Hagler v Leonard and Tyson v Hollyfield.

Who you got?

Re: Boxing

Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 11:02
by Massive Attack
SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote: 20 Oct 2025, 11:00
Council Scum" wrote: 20 Oct 2025, 09:58
SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote: 20 Oct 2025, 09:54 Honeyghan beat Don Curry, IIRC the best pound for pound boxer in the world at the time. For that, he must get in any top 10, even though he quickly sank without trace. Excellent as he was, I don't think you can put Michael Watson in the Top 10 - he was very much the third man in a UK trinity.

My left-fielder would be Dennis Andries.
See my list mate... 
Ahhh. Fair dos. I think I might have Froch in there instead of Khan, if only for the two Kessler fights. And it's difficult to separate Eubank and Benn.
Yep, Froch definitely over Khan.

Re: Boxing

Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 11:00
by SurfaceAgentX2Zero
Council Scum" wrote: 20 Oct 2025, 09:58
SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote: 20 Oct 2025, 09:54 Honeyghan beat Don Curry, IIRC the best pound for pound boxer in the world at the time. For that, he must get in any top 10, even though he quickly sank without trace. Excellent as he was, I don't think you can put Michael Watson in the Top 10 - he was very much the third man in a UK trinity.

My left-fielder would be Dennis Andries.
See my list mate... 
Ahhh. Fair dos. I think I might have Froch in there instead of Khan, if only for the two Kessler fights. And it's difficult to separate Eubank and Benn.

Re: Boxing

Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 09:58
by Council Scum
SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote: 20 Oct 2025, 09:54 Honeyghan beat Don Curry, IIRC the best pound for pound boxer in the world at the time. For that, he must get in any top 10, even though he quickly sank without trace. Excellent as he was, I don't think you can put Michael Watson in the Top 10 - he was very much the third man in a UK trinity.

My left-fielder would be Dennis Andries.
See my list mate... 

Re: Boxing

Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 09:54
by SurfaceAgentX2Zero
Honeyghan beat Don Curry, IIRC the best pound for pound boxer in the world at the time. For that, he must get in any top 10, even though he quickly sank without trace. Excellent as he was, I don't think you can put Michael Watson in the Top 10 - he was very much the third man in a UK trinity.

My left-fielder would be Dennis Andries.

Re: Boxing

Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 09:38
by Council Scum
Massive Attack" wrote: 20 Oct 2025, 09:36 Kell Brook deserves a special mention, especially after coming back competing after being stabbed up.
Bandit. 

Re: Boxing

Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 09:36
by Massive Attack
Kell Brook deserves a special mention, especially after coming back competing after being stabbed up.

Re: Boxing

Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 09:23
by Council Scum
Nutsin wrote: 17 Oct 2025, 20:46 The British top 10 of fighters for the last 50 years.

1) Calzaghie
2) Lewis
3) Naseem
4) Watson...Controversial I know, but he boxed Eubanks head off the night Eubank caught him with a desperation haymaker. He Also beat Benn
5) Eubank....Chin of Granite
6) Benn
7) Hatton
8) Minter 
9) McGuigan
10) Fury



What's yours?
Lewis
Calzaghe
Naseem
Honeyghan
McKenzie
Andries
Fury
Conteh
Khan
Eubank

Re: Boxing

Posted: 19 Oct 2025, 09:28
by southbankbornnbred
There's enough action in there for about six fights!

Wild is the word.

Re: Boxing

Posted: 19 Oct 2025, 09:20
by Iron Duke
How did he come back from that?

Re: Boxing

Posted: 19 Oct 2025, 06:28
by Massive Attack
What a wild 1st round this was last night.. 😆


Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 22:37
by Briano
Dave boy Green v Sugar Ray Leonard..fxck me what a mid match

Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 22:23
by Nutsin
Briano wrote: 18 Oct 2025, 20:02
, wrote: 18 Oct 2025, 10:53 I well remember the unfancied John H Stracey going to Mexico City and, much to everyone’s surprise, putting one over Jose Napolese to win his world title.
I was at school with son of one of Terry Lawless trainers, Frank Black, about a week after Stracey won that title he brought Stracey over the Leys Lido in Dagenham. Well documented Stracey couldn’t believe the mob over there that  were astounded to see a real world champion
I remember Stracey fighting Dave Boy Green. Some black eye!

Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 20:02
by Briano
, wrote: 18 Oct 2025, 10:53 I well remember the unfancied John H Stracey going to Mexico City and, much to everyone’s surprise, putting one over Jose Napolese to win his world title.
I was at school with son of one of Terry Lawless trainers, Frank Black, about a week after Stracey won that title he brought Stracey over the Leys Lido in Dagenham. Well documented Stracey couldn’t believe the mob over there that  were astounded to see a real world champion

Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 18:54
by Massive Attack
I loved it when he took on that freak of nature and beat Valuev. Wobbled him as well. Seriously impressive shit coming up against that 7ft lump. 😆

Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 18:52
by Takashi Miike
zico, I think froch would have had to have knocked him out and joe's chin was very good. much like the trouble carl had with ward


for me, duke mckenzie would be one of the first on a british all time top ten

Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 18:43
by Eerie Decent
Think David Haye gets in the top 10, for me.

Undisputed, Ring Magazine Champion at Cruiser, HW Champion, might not have massive names on his record, and obviously had the Thompson loss (also ignoring the Bellew nonsense, he was finished) but I don't think there's been a Brit with his sheer KO power, at respective weights.
 

Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 18:32
by Massive Attack
zico wrote: 18 Oct 2025, 18:23 I think even Nigel Benn said Watson was the better of the three. A real tragedy.  
Agreed

Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 18:23
by zico
I think even Nigel Benn said Watson was the better of the three. A real tragedy.  Would be interested to hear others thoughts on whether Carl Froch would have beaten Calzaghe?  They always keep sniping at each other and we will obviously never know.  Would have been a great fight though.

Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 17:41
by southbankbornnbred
It's never science, and ultimately it all comes down to opinions, but I always think you have to look at who a fighter has beaten - and weigh up how often they put away fighters who were "good" or better by global standards.

Every name on that list was a good boxer, though. It's not weak.

Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 17:31
by southbankbornnbred
Briano wrote: 17 Oct 2025, 22:22
Nutsin wrote: 17 Oct 2025, 20:46 The British top 10 of fighters for the last 50 years.

1) Calzaghie
2) Lewis
3) Naseem
4) Watson...Controversial I know, but he boxed Eubanks head off the night Eubank caught him with a desperation haymaker. He Also beat Benn
5) Eubank....Chin of Granite
6) Benn
7) Hatton
8) Minter 
9) McGuigan
10) Fury



What's yours?
Conteh, Honeyghan and Kirkland Laing would be in that list somewhere…in that era of weights and belts
That's not a bad list. Although, I'd have Fury slightly higher up than, say, Minter. Minter was a good middleweight, but he never really beat a top-class (by global standards) opponent. Probably the best opponent he beat was Emile Griffith, and he was in his late 30s (38/39?) by the time Minter faced him. Minter beat some good fighters, but not of the same calibre as people that Fury beat such as Klitschko.

Agree with the point about Michael Watson. He was as tough a nails and only lost to good fighters. Also agree that Conteh should be on that list - an excellent light heavy/cruiser. I'd have Lewis above Calzaghe (who was superb), too. Lennox was a sublime heavyweight - one of the best of all time when focused. Sure, he lost a couple to sucker-punches, but that's heavyweight boxing for you: if a 17 stone bloke tags you, you're going over. Plus, he avenged both defeats. The way he dismantled Holyfield - twice (I don't buy the robbery "draw") was excellent. At his best, Lewis was formidable, and probably the best "British" boxer of all time. That's why Bowe wouldn't fight him.

But that is some list. Britain has punched above its weight.

Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 12:35
by Massive Attack
MaryMillingtonsGhost wrote: 18 Oct 2025, 12:24 "Unbeaten George Liddard became the youngest British and Commonwealth middleweight champion in history with a highly impressive stoppage win over Kieron Conway."

Well done fella.
The lad looks to be going places. Hopefully his trajectory carries on the way it has. West Ham mad which is also good to see.

Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 12:24
by MaryMillingtonsGhost
"Unbeaten George Liddard became the youngest British and Commonwealth middleweight champion in history with a highly impressive stoppage win over Kieron Conway."

Well done fella.

Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 10:53
by ,
I well remember the unfancied John H Stracey going to Mexico City and, much to everyone’s surprise, putting one over Jose Napolese to win his world title.

Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 08:48
by zebthecat
Lloyd Honeyghan's dismantling of Don Curry has to be one of the biggest upsets of all time.

Re: Boxing

Posted: 18 Oct 2025, 08:17
by Massive Attack
Usyk wants to carry on till he's 41..

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/1 ... tauma-next