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goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 22:28 This WTO:

“The World Trade Organization (WTO) has forecast that global trade will fall this year because of US President Donald Trump's tariffs.It added "severe downside risks", including reciprocal tariffs and political uncertainty, could lead to an even sharper decline in global goods trade. "The decline is expected to be particularly steep in North America," the WTO said, forecasting trade to drop by more than a tenth in that region.”

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 22:08

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 22:04

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 21:42

The markets are down YTD. 
The markets were stronger before Trump and his tariffs.
There are no tariffs on U.K. goods imported into China you div.

simple question for your simple brain:
Which scenario is better for opening up the Chinese market to US companies?
a) zero tariffs 
b) 10%+

i will get you a calculator and some crayons.

Who mentioned UK Tariffs fuckwit, I was talking about China opening up its market.

As for Tariffs I think China understands what will happen in 90 days if they don’t give concessions and it’s called Tariffs, big ones at that.

You really are an imbecile!

Poor Goose just doesn’t understand.

Funny how China stopped reporting it’s economic activity all of a sudden.

You cannot be this simple minded.
YOU mentioned the U.K.:
“Perhaps the UK and others can benefit from all this too with their trade agreements with China”

The U.K. has zero tariffs into China, I’d love to know how it will benefit from the US who have a worse deal.

I see you avoided the simple question I posed you, because we both know the (blindingly obvious) answer.

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 22:04

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 21:42

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 21:28

Dow Jones is up big today on the news. Dow is the index for the top US companies, S&P is up too. Same it’s US companies.

China trade agreement where China opens its market to the USA is an obvious boost to US stocks. Stocks move in anticipation of outcome, they don’t wait for the day of the trade deal to be signed to move ffs.

Obviously risk on trade back into equities, namely US companies is because of the news that a new framework is being negotiated. 

How can you be so ignorant? 

Let’s see what happens and what concessions are made.

Suffice to say it’s a good day for MAGA and a good day for global trade all thanks to Trump. Perhaps the UK and others can benefit from all this too with their trade agreements with China. Time will tell.

So much going on, Trump was involved in the ceasefire agreement between India and Pakistan too.

Now he is heading to Saudi, Qatar and Emirates, then apparently stopping at Turkey too to be there for Putin and Zelensky’s meeting.

What an amazing effort!

Poor Goose so desperate for Misery. What a life.



MAGA!

The markets are down YTD. 
The markets were stronger before Trump and his tariffs.
There are no tariffs on U.K. goods imported into China you div.

simple question for your simple brain:
Which scenario is better for opening up the Chinese market to US companies?
a) zero tariffs 
b) 10%+

i will get you a calculator and some crayons.

Who mentioned UK Tariffs fuckwit, I was talking about China opening up its market.

As for Tariffs I think China understands what will happen in 90 days if they don’t give concessions and it’s called Tariffs, big ones at that.

You really are an imbecile!

Poor Goose just doesn’t understand.

Funny how China stopped reporting it’s economic activity all of a sudden.

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 21:42

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 21:28

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 21:09

How is the stock market a benchmark for US exports into China. Do you have any grasp of what you’re posting about?

the markets are down YTD but have recovered the losses from ‘liberation day’.

proves my point exactly about the markets attitude to tariffs.

Dow Jones is up big today on the news. Dow is the index for the top US companies, S&P is up too. Same it’s US companies.

China trade agreement where China opens its market to the USA is an obvious boost to US stocks. Stocks move in anticipation of outcome, they don’t wait for the day of the trade deal to be signed to move ffs.

Obviously risk on trade back into equities, namely US companies is because of the news that a new framework is being negotiated. 

How can you be so ignorant? 

Let’s see what happens and what concessions are made.

Suffice to say it’s a good day for MAGA and a good day for global trade all thanks to Trump. Perhaps the UK and others can benefit from all this too with their trade agreements with China. Time will tell.

So much going on, Trump was involved in the ceasefire agreement between India and Pakistan too.

Now he is heading to Saudi, Qatar and Emirates, then apparently stopping at Turkey too to be there for Putin and Zelensky’s meeting.

What an amazing effort!

Poor Goose so desperate for Misery. What a life.



MAGA!

The markets are down YTD. 
The markets were stronger before Trump and his tariffs.
There are no tariffs on U.K. goods imported into China you div.

simple question for your simple brain:
Which scenario is better for opening up the Chinese market to US companies?
a) zero tariffs 
b) 10%+

i will get you a calculator and some crayons.

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 21:28

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 21:09

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 21:03

Look at the stock market numbnuts!

How is the stock market a benchmark for US exports into China. Do you have any grasp of what you’re posting about?

the markets are down YTD but have recovered the losses from ‘liberation day’.

proves my point exactly about the markets attitude to tariffs.

Dow Jones is up big today on the news. Dow is the index for the top US companies, S&P is up too. Same it’s US companies.

China trade agreement where China opens its market to the USA is an obvious boost to US stocks. Stocks move in anticipation of outcome, they don’t wait for the day of the trade deal to be signed to move ffs.

Obviously risk on trade back into equities, namely US companies is because of the news that a new framework is being negotiated. 

How can you be so ignorant? 

Let’s see what happens and what concessions are made.

Suffice to say it’s a good day for MAGA and a good day for global trade all thanks to Trump. Perhaps the UK and others can benefit from all this too with their trade agreements with China. Time will tell.

So much going on, Trump was involved in the ceasefire agreement between India and Pakistan too.

Now he is heading to Saudi, Qatar and Emirates, then apparently stopping at Turkey too to be there for Putin and Zelensky’s meeting.

What an amazing effort!

Poor Goose so desperate for Misery. What a life.



MAGA!

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 21:09

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 21:03

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 20:58

“to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.”

but they haven’t.
they got worse terms than pre-Trump.

how is higher tariffs for US companies opening up the Chinese market?

and you’ve got the front to tell people to think for themselves  

Look at the stock market numbnuts!

How is the stock market a benchmark for US exports into China. Do you have any grasp of what you’re posting about?

the markets are down YTD but have recovered the losses from ‘liberation day’.

proves my point exactly about the markets attitude to tariffs.

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 21:03

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 20:58

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 20:55

How do you know Bessant persuaded Trump on anything? 
Fact that Trumps Tariffs hikes have brought China to the negotiating table to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.

Do I have to spell everything out to you ffs?

Do you struggle with comprehension of what’s happening?

It’s blatantly obvious all you can do is regurgitate left wing propaganda. 

Try thinking for yourself for a change. 

Poor Goose still in the denial phase.

“to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.”

but they haven’t.
they got worse terms than pre-Trump.

how is higher tariffs for US companies opening up the Chinese market?

and you’ve got the front to tell people to think for themselves  

Look at the stock market numbnuts!

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 20:58

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 20:55

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 20:20

So what you claiming as a ‘win’ is in fact a deal that hadn’t been struck?? Make your mind up.

Common sense brought both sides to the table. Scott Bessent was the one who persuaded Trump into the U-turn and has taken the lead on this. He appears to be one of the few with some common sense.

The fact remains from April through to August (minimum) those tariffs have pushed inflation into the US economy and made trade with China more expensive as well.

How do you know Bessant persuaded Trump on anything? 
Fact that Trumps Tariffs hikes have brought China to the negotiating table to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.

Do I have to spell everything out to you ffs?

Do you struggle with comprehension of what’s happening?

It’s blatantly obvious all you can do is regurgitate left wing propaganda. 

Try thinking for yourself for a change. 

Poor Goose still in the denial phase.

“to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.”

but they haven’t.
they got worse terms than pre-Trump.

how is higher tariffs for US companies opening up the Chinese market?

and you’ve got the front to tell people to think for themselves  

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 20:55

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 20:20

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 20:13

Has the final deal been struck? 

Did Tariffs bring China to the negotiating table?

Still floundering!

So what you claiming as a ‘win’ is in fact a deal that hadn’t been struck?? Make your mind up.

Common sense brought both sides to the table. Scott Bessent was the one who persuaded Trump into the U-turn and has taken the lead on this. He appears to be one of the few with some common sense.

The fact remains from April through to August (minimum) those tariffs have pushed inflation into the US economy and made trade with China more expensive as well.

How do you know Bessant persuaded Trump on anything? 
Fact that Trumps Tariffs hikes have brought China to the negotiating table to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.

Do I have to spell everything out to you ffs?

Do you struggle with comprehension of what’s happening?

It’s blatantly obvious all you can do is regurgitate left wing propaganda. 

Try thinking for yourself for a change. 

Poor Goose still in the denial phase.

“to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.”

but they haven’t.
they got worse terms than pre-Trump.

how is higher tariffs for US companies opening up the Chinese market?

and you’ve got the front to tell people to think for themselves  

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 20:20

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 20:13

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:55

You were saying tariffs would open up markets to the US, but in fact it’s now more expensive for US businesses to export to the 2nd biggest market on the planet.

Has the final deal been struck? 

Did Tariffs bring China to the negotiating table?

Still floundering!

So what you claiming as a ‘win’ is in fact a deal that hadn’t been struck?? Make your mind up.

Common sense brought both sides to the table. Scott Bessent was the one who persuaded Trump into the U-turn and has taken the lead on this. He appears to be one of the few with some common sense.

The fact remains from April through to August (minimum) those tariffs have pushed inflation into the US economy and made trade with China more expensive as well.

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 20:13

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:55

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:48

The China issue is Fetanyl, trade imbalance, and theft of IP and dumping and currency manipulation. 

We will find out what happens, suffice to say China the bully has now been put on notice, my guess is they will make concessions to address these issues. 

you really are clueless.

You were saying tariffs would open up markets to the US, but in fact it’s now more expensive for US businesses to export to the 2nd biggest market on the planet.

Has the final deal been struck? 

Did Tariffs bring China to the negotiating table?

Still floundering!

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:55

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:48

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:33

You might wanna look up what tariffs were for US goods imported into China before Trump. 

The China issue is Fetanyl, trade imbalance, and theft of IP and dumping and currency manipulation. 

We will find out what happens, suffice to say China the bully has now been put on notice, my guess is they will make concessions to address these issues. 

you really are clueless.

You were saying tariffs would open up markets to the US, but in fact it’s now more expensive for US businesses to export to the 2nd biggest market on the planet.

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:48

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:33

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:32

You might want to look up the word reciprocal in the dictionary.

You might wanna look up what tariffs were for US goods imported into China before Trump. 

The China issue is Fetanyl, trade imbalance, and theft of IP and dumping and currency manipulation. 

We will find out what happens, suffice to say China the bully has now been put on notice, my guess is they will make concessions to address these issues. 

you really are clueless.

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:33

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:32

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:14 You still trying to pretend that the embarrassing U-turn is all part of the plan?

You might want to look up the word reciprocal in the dictionary.

You might wanna look up what tariffs were for US goods imported into China before Trump. 

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:32

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:14 You still trying to pretend that the embarrassing U-turn is all part of the plan?

You might want to look up the word reciprocal in the dictionary.

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:22

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:14 You still trying to pretend that the embarrassing U-turn is all part of the plan?

Whatever works goose! It’s a results based business! 

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:14 You still trying to pretend that the embarrassing U-turn is all part of the plan?

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 19:14 You still trying to pretend that the embarrassing U-turn is all part of the plan?

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 17:44

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 17:30

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 17:20

I said it’s a possibility but then again it might be better served to use the Tariff money to reduce taxes further to increase the GDP . But there will be options old boy.

At the end of the day the USA will come out ahead than where it was. Something that would never have happened under Kamala.

Lets see what happens, suffice to say Trump is resetting global trade, 

All that remains is to just how much of a win this is for the USA.

What is apparent is that your position of it all backfiring on Trump and that the sky will fall was dead wrong.

And there you were posting all that left wing propaganda like a brainwashed libtard thinking you had a point. 

ag ag ag ag!

Poor Goose!

Only reason markets recovered is because of the embarrassing U-turn Trump was forced into.

claiming a win from doing the exact opposite of what you were championing

Lying again!

It’s the art of the deal, nobody said Trump was rigid on Tariffs, he always said his Tariffs were reciprocal. Meaning you remove yours I’ll remove mine. Trump was always flexible. So stop embarassing yourself.

You’re so desperate for a win lol!

Floundering!

Oh! So spooking the bond market and being forced into an embarrassing U-turn was all part of the plan??  

a win for me is walking away from tariffs that are harmful to the global economy.

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 17:30

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 17:20

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 17:07

Won  

an embarrassing U-turn on tariffs is a ‘win’.
makes about as much sense as claiming a market declining 45% is a golden opportunity.

you claimed below that the US might pay down some debt and to expect more balanced trade. Have some conviction in your views.

I said it’s a possibility but then again it might be better served to use the Tariff money to reduce taxes further to increase the GDP . But there will be options old boy.

At the end of the day the USA will come out ahead than where it was. Something that would never have happened under Kamala.

Lets see what happens, suffice to say Trump is resetting global trade, 

All that remains is to just how much of a win this is for the USA.

What is apparent is that your position of it all backfiring on Trump and that the sky will fall was dead wrong.

And there you were posting all that left wing propaganda like a brainwashed libtard thinking you had a point. 

ag ag ag ag!

Poor Goose!

Only reason markets recovered is because of the embarrassing U-turn Trump was forced into.

claiming a win from doing the exact opposite of what you were championing

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 17:20

goose wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 17:07

Nutsin wrote: ↑12 May 2025, 17:01

I’ve already won, you’re the one who needs a bet to save face on what is obviously desperate conjecture.

Im gonna continue to count the Trump wins one by one if you don’t mind and I’ll be sure to let you and your liberal friends know all about them.

Winners win.

It’s official last USA hostage has been released! 

I wonder how much the Saudi’s, Qatar and UAE are gonna invest in the USA? 

MAGA!

Won  

an embarrassing U-turn on tariffs is a ‘win’.
makes about as much sense as claiming a market declining 45% is a golden opportunity.

you claimed below that the US might pay down some debt and to expect more balanced trade. Have some conviction in your views.

I said it’s a possibility but then again it might be better served to use the Tariff money to reduce taxes further to increase the GDP . But there will be options old boy.

At the end of the day the USA will come out ahead than where it was. Something that would never have happened under Kamala.

Lets see what happens, suffice to say Trump is resetting global trade, 

All that remains is to just how much of a win this is for the USA.

What is apparent is that your position of it all backfiring on Trump and that the sky will fall was dead wrong.

And there you were posting all that left wing propaganda like a brainwashed libtard thinking you had a point. 

ag ag ag ag!

Poor Goose!

Only reason markets recovered is because of the embarrassing U-turn Trump was forced into.

claiming a win from doing the exact opposite of what you were championing