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"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

"I was surprised. Two weeks ago, there was a tackle in one of the games I was watching, a prime time one, I think, where the tackler basically hog-tied the carrier and body-slammed him right near the goal line and it wasn't called. Looked it up, it was Kelce being tackled. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJy6tSYxop8 Immortalised in LA https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdCBrlUacAIp5lK?format=jpg&name=large"

"Cough, the bizarre thing about that injury is Alex Smith had almost the exact same injury, but the most strange thing is they both occurred on November 18th (1985/2018)"

"Oh, definitely for the era it was a perfect hit. Well within the rules then. Bit like when we talk about the good old days of Bonzo winning the ball but also putting the oppo player into the first row of the stand as well. That said, given the really brutal nature of the NFL, I can't argue with the steps they've taken in the name of player safety, even if it's dampened the spectacle somewhat."

Joe Theisman's shin....ouch

"I thought it was a perfectly times tackle but I agree, it was dangerous contacting his back that way. I don't think he was ever the same again after that, though I'm sure he wouldn't swap that for theisman's snapped shin"

"Takashi Miike 3:30 Golden era! And no way would that hit be legal today, I think. They actually comment on how he led with the helmet and planted him right between the shoulders. Actually it caused really significant injuries as well: 'In the fourth quarter of the 1990 NFC Championship Game, Montana was hit so hard by New York Giants defensive end Leonard Marshall he suffered a bruised sternum, bruised stomach, cracked ribs and a broken hand. Montana missed all of the 1991 season and most of the 1992 season, never starting another game for the 49ers.' ...and people say wearing pads makes them pussies...."

"Been pretty busy with work today, but have enjoyed reading this thread today. A complete contrast to the ""The Return of Noble"" thread which made me want to poke my eyes out when I started to read it."

His son. I will confess before I could watch the NFL I got to hear 8/16? bit versions of Summerall and Madden in the Madden games.

"Yeah, Joe Buck is his son"

is that a relation of the buck who sits next to that helmet aikman?

Agree with Summerall and Madden Jack Buck doing baseball

"that clip scorch posted of montana getting wiped out by leonard marshall. always great to see footage of lawrence taylor causing mayhem, for me the best OLB ever. what's also great is hearing for me, the best commentary team ever Summerall & Madden"

It's a New York thing. Living under that microscope of a media. Plus not being called The Yankees or being bank rolled as such is always going to be a hindrance. Just look at the shit a Knicks fan has to deal with.

"Yeah I loved that era of the Redskins Gibbs as coach, Diesel Riggins as RB and Art Monk catching, then you had that OL the Hogs Great era of NFL football"

"Herm Edwards came in and actually did a decent job as HC, despite the fact that nobody - including the Jets - really wanted him. I liked Herm, despite his clock-management problems and mad defensive philosophy. ""You play to win!"""

"But, for a good five or six years, that was down to the fact that Belichick screwed us over. He not only resigned when he had taken over from Parcells, as agreed, he also ripped the fuck out of our coaching staff and set-up. So the Jets had to start from scratch, literally, on the coaching side. Parcells had put in place a legacy staff, which included Belichick taking over as HC, and then BB fucked off within 24 hours - it threw NYJ, about to be under new ownership, into a crisis off the field because there was absolutely no continuity (and, as history has proved, the 'new' owners are clueless money men). Basically, the Jets were a 'new' franchise from 2000 onwards - in every way except for their long-suffering fans."

It also helped the Pats the other teams in their division had been utter abject for the better part of 2 decades.Only getting their act together in last few seasons.

"Easily THE most galling thing about Napkin-gate was that we received a first-round pick from the Patsies in compensation for the betrayal and shuffled our draft to take Chad Pennington as QB in the first round. All along, Belichick has long-scouted Brady, makes five picks for the Patsies, then takes one of the greatest players of all time in round six - knowing he wanted him on the squad to develop him behind Bledsoe. Could have done the same behind Testaverde. Belichick should have been a Jet (for more than 24 hours). Brady should have been a Jet. Fuckers! Still gives me nightmares!"

"Yep, Gibbs was superb, granted. Proper coach. Don't get me wrong - I want to dislike BB more than any other human being involved in the NFL, after he fucked us over big time. But he has been incredible, really, the sour-faced feck. Brady was a huge part of that, but don't forget his teams also did well on the rare occasions that Brady was injured. They went 11-5 with Matt Cassel behind centre, when the injured Brady was a huge chunk of their budget. Then he picks up Mac Jones and goes 10-7 with a rookie QB. Belichick's teams are just incredibly well drilled/prepared, he drafts solidly every year, has a knack for spotting 'moneyball' type talent to bring in (when there have often been bigger name alternatives) and picks up good coaches. He's certainly worked the salary-cap era better than anybody. But he's a joyless c**t who betrayed us and will never be forgiven!"

"""To do what BB has done with a salary cap has been extraordinary. The napkin-writing, opposition-filming, ball-deflating fucker!"" I think what Gibbs did winning three SBs with journeymen QBs is as big an achievement as that miserable fucker. Most coaches would have had success with Brady, he was that good"

"Well, say no more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uVZVbexJo"

"For that reason, and I say this through gritted teeth, probably the best NFL 'dynasty' of the modern era has been the Belichick/Brady Patsies. To do what BB has done with a salary cap has been extraordinary. The napkin-writing, opposition-filming, ball-deflating fucker! He needs to stand aside now, though."

"Easier to create a 'dynasty' when you were one of the two richest sides in a league with no salary cap, though. It's a bit like Man City now. Need a back-up for an ageing and slightly injury prone Montana? Just go and sign the bloke who had already secured a $40m contract elsewhere! Need a quality cornerback? Just sign the all-time legend and NFL pro-bowler Deion Sanders from Atlanta and don't disclose his whopping signing-on fee! When we were younger, we barely paid attention to the finances, but the 49ers and Dallas went around doing what Man City and Chelsea have been doing for years. This reached its zenith when Dallas offered Deion (who was incredible) an even bigger bonus to sign for them after he'd been at the 49ers for one season. That was like Man City showing Chelsea who was 'financial boss'. But no other franchises could compete. Funny enough, the Jets were not in the market for Deion!"

Really enjoy listening to Young talk. Comes across as a good egg. Thank christ he managed to get out of Tampa. That 49ers team are the dynasty all other are judged against. Ruthless. Fearsome. With a touch of panache.

"Loved Young and not many QB's back then had the legs like he did, but still have Montana edging him. Mob nowadays are nowhere near the class of QB's back then and that's even with them being so protected. Those poor fuckers back in the day virtually had people doing flying helmets dives at them!!! üòÇ Both lucky having Rice, but sometimes a receiver is only as good as his service and they knew exactly where he wanted it. Doubt his 208 TD's will ever even be gotten close to and that's with them playing more games nowadays."