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Billy Bonds, the Guardian .. and me

Posted: 02 Dec 2025, 16:22
by Outer Cape
Yesterday I listened to the Guardian Football Weekly Podcast. I was dissatisfied with the tribute paid to our Billy. So, I sent them an email expressing my dissatisfaction and to their credit they responded immediately. 

Credit goes to "Coffee One Sugar" who wrote a moving piece on the main "King Billy" thread. 

This is what I sent the Guardian. 

Hi Max, Barney and Barry, 

I’ve been a loyal listener to the podcast for years and continue to enjoy the work you and the team do. Keep it up.However, the brief note appended to the end of the West Ham - Liverpool match report felt inadequate and, to be honest, borderline disrespectful.

A quick look at social media or YouTube shows the enormous and heartfelt outpouring of grief for a true club legend.I’d suggest sending a couple of your team to the next home game against Aston Villa to really understand what he meant to the club and its supporters.

As a keen listener, I’ve also noticed the growing disaffection among several contributors (Barney, Jonathan, Barry, for example) with the underlying business model of the modern game: the match-day entertainment packages, the transactional focus, surge pricing, gambling sponsors, irrelevant cups and competitions, corrupt organizations, human-rights-abuse sportswashing, and the media’s obsession with personalities and trivia.

Never has the gap between what Billy Bonds stood for and what the modern game represents felt so wide.

For context, the message below appeared on the West Ham fan site westhamonline.co.uk just hours after his death was announced.

This was written by “Coffee One Sugar”    

"He was, and still is, an integral part of my growing up as a West Ham fan. When his name was on the team sheet, you knew, you really knew, that the team would put up a fight, even when it ended up in defeat which was not infrequent.

He was usually the first one out of the dressing room afterwards while the others yapped and drank their milk or bottle of light ale or whatever they did knock back at that time. He was a captain you could look up to, respect, and know that his first priority was always the interest of the club and its supporters. 

He was the kind of man you could look up to even from the distance of the terraces. He had a presence on the field and was held in obvious respect by his team mates. He gave you confidence that you wouldn't be overcome by sheer effort or fight, nor by and in the joint effort of team and fan.

I shall miss him, not because I knew the man but for the sense of justified pride that his memory cannot and will not erase. They say you cannot measure a player by trophies and medals alone. If you could, the record books would gleam with the name of Billy Bonds.

But his legacy is not carved from silver or gold; it is etched into the very soul of a football club, into the stands of Upton Park, and into the hearts of generations who were privileged to call him their own.

To watch Billy Bonds play was to understand the very essence of West Ham United. He was not merely a player who wore the claret and blue; he was its living, breathing, battling embodiment. For over two decades, he was the constant, the rock, the leader. 

He was a force of nature, a player whose heart seemed to beat with the collective pulse of the terraces. He didn't just cover every blade of grass; he claimed it, defended it, and poured his being into it.

His tackles were not just challenges; they were statements of intent, roars of defiance that echoed around the Boleyn Ground.


And what a captain he was. He didn't need an armband to lead, but he wore it with a king's authority and a soldier's humility. He was the man you would follow into battle, because you knew he would be the first into the breach and the last to leave.

He led with a clenched fist, a determined stare, and an action that screamed: Follow Me. 

But beyond the warrior, there was a craftsman. Beyond the grit, there was grace. He could truly play. He was a fusion of iron and silk, of passion and precision, each taking the fore when circumstance demanded.

His legacy is multi-faceted. It lies in the standards he set - that of unwavering commitment, and of putting everything on the line for your cause. 

He is the benchmark against which every captain, every player, and every heart that beats claret and blue is measured."

I have nothing to add to the above. To reduce the tribute to a verbal caricature of a southeast London geezer falls way short of the mark. 

Best regards,

Adrian Nunn
San Francisco, CA 


This is the reply I received from Barry Glendenning, the chief football writer at the Guardian 


Hi Adrian,

Thanks for the mail. You say you found our tribute to Billy inadequate and borderline disrespectful but don't explain why, beyond describing it as "a verbal caricature of a southeast London geezer". That bears little or no relation to the tribute I remember hearing at the time and none to the tribute I just re-listened to, in case it had in some way got completely mangled in the edit and emerged sounding inadequate and disrespectful. That is not the case. 

Billy’s love for West Ham, his legendary status, his uncompromising excellence as a player and leader, his striking looks and athletic physique, his longevity and his legendary status were all mentioned, as well as the incontrovertible fact that he was from south-east London, the same neck of the woods as Barney, who spoke about him with obvious fondness, bordering on reverence: "He was a very reassuring figure: you liked him, you respected him ... he was a perfect professional." 

I am very sorry for what is obviously a sad loss for you and other West Ham fans, and while it's not for me to dictate what you or anyone else should find inadequate or offensive, I think you're way wide of the mark in saying we were even remotely disrespectful to Billy’s memory or legacy. 

Cheers,

Barry  

Re: Billy Bonds, the Guardian .. and me

Posted: 02 Dec 2025, 19:45
by MaryMillingtonsGhost
Nurse Ratched" wrote: 02 Dec 2025, 17:59
Wait till you find out Stubbo fixed the WHO clock...
 
 
WHO has a CLOCK?!?!

Re: Billy Bonds, the Guardian .. and me

Posted: 02 Dec 2025, 17:59
by Nurse Ratched
MaryMillingtonsGhost wrote: 02 Dec 2025, 17:21 Stopped reading ‘Teh Grauniad’ when they started printing the letters in their articles in the correct order.
Wait till you find out Stubbo fixed the WHO clock...

Re: Billy Bonds, the Guardian .. and me

Posted: 02 Dec 2025, 17:43
by Far Cough UKunt
MaryMillingtonsGhost wrote: 02 Dec 2025, 17:27
Massive Attack" wrote: 02 Dec 2025, 17:22 If anyone with their finger on the pulse with regards to our Billy and West Ham at the Guardian it's Steinberg who should be able to rustle up a more fitting eulogy of the great man. He's usually good with words who cares.
Steinberg used to post on here, iirc.
Wonder if he still does under a different username?
Steinberg posted under 16YO although he might be 17 by now.

Re: Billy Bonds, the Guardian .. and me

Posted: 02 Dec 2025, 17:27
by MaryMillingtonsGhost
Massive Attack" wrote: 02 Dec 2025, 17:22 If anyone with their finger on the pulse with regards to our Billy and West Ham at the Guardian it's Steinberg who should be able to rustle up a more fitting eulogy of the great man. He's usually good with words who cares.
Steinberg used to post on here, iirc.
Wonder if he still does under a different username?

Re: Billy Bonds, the Guardian .. and me

Posted: 02 Dec 2025, 17:22
by Massive Attack
If anyone with their finger on the pulse with regards to our Billy and West Ham at the Guardian it's Steinberg who should be able to rustle up a more fitting eulogy of the great man. He's usually good with words who cares.

Re: Billy Bonds, the Guardian .. and me

Posted: 02 Dec 2025, 17:21
by MaryMillingtonsGhost
Stopped reading ‘Teh Grauniad’ when they started printing the letters in their articles in the correct order.

Re: Billy Bonds, the Guardian .. and me

Posted: 02 Dec 2025, 17:17
by honky cat
Despite being the least guardianista type person in the world, i do find some of their sports and arts coverage quite interesting, but i am not in the least bit suprised by this. The guardian is not a west ham paper, even though steinberg is a west ham fan. They are not interested in the likes of us, at all - i dont know why anyone would expect anything else.
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Re: Billy Bonds, the Guardian .. and me

Posted: 02 Dec 2025, 17:14
by Takashi Miike
he's a good mate of that left-wing spurs shitbag, rushden. It's natural he'd have no respect for us

Re: Billy Bonds, the Guardian .. and me

Posted: 02 Dec 2025, 17:02
by Massive Attack
A Sunderland fan, it's understandable he doesn't fully appreciate a true great in the game starved of seeing them during his lifetime. 

Re: Billy Bonds, the Guardian .. and me

Posted: 02 Dec 2025, 16:58
by Outer Cape
Surface, I responded to his email. He is a Sunderland supporter. He should know what suffering is all about. 

Re: Billy Bonds, the Guardian .. and me

Posted: 02 Dec 2025, 16:55
by SurfaceAgentX2Zero
Glendenning absolutely hates West Ham. I have no idea why.