Nuno Out
Posted: 27 Sep 2025, 11:00
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Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 15:14El Scorchio" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 14:55ATHammer wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 13:50Disagree. Kevin DeBruyne had one of the worst completion rates, regularly, in the Premier league. Playing in a pass and move team those risky passes he played that came off were league winning. Paqueta is never going to stop taking risks or trying the difficult pass. Nor should he. He isn't as good as DeBruyne, obviously, but he is a fucking good player who is clearly very frustrated at West Ham. More to the point his type of football is what West Ham should be aspiring too, not lowering our expectations to the likes of JWP, fantastic pass completion rate; Soucek, can he actually pass? Rodrigues, remind me what he does, Irving, etc.
I give Paqueta great credit for sticking around, probably in the full knowledge that Sullivan wanted to flog him; that playing under Potter (as it was then) would be challenging; and some of us would be daft enough to get on his back.
If Paqueta was the only thing wrong with this club then we would not be in particularly bad place.Exactly this. KDB is a great shout. I'm also not trying to say Paqueta is near as good, but yes his pass completion is pretty low- even in a team like Man City- because he's trying to make things happen and get on the attack. That's how Paqueta will have been taught to play from being a kid and if you don't want that then why buy the bloke? Coach it out of him and you end up with another JWP too scared to play it forward for fear of losing it. We play with too much fear. We played with fear under Moyes and under Potter. We were too cavalier under Lop.
Big difference for KDB is that he was also playing with players multitudes better than ours, in a settled side who know what he's thinking and he knows what they are thinking. Even then it doesn't come off a lot of the time as the percentage will attest to. The other difference is that they have far better players in MF and defence as well, so losing the ball isn't essentially a death sentence for the team as they can press or harass and win it back usually high up the pitch and not immediately get ripped through resulting in a really good chance for the opposition, like it is for us. It looks a lot worse for us than other teams if we lose possession because we're so shit and disjointed off the ball.
Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him. For that we need a settled midfield and a settled striker, and the reassurance for him that if it goes astray we aren't instantly fucked or under tremendous pressure."Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him."
Is it though? What are you basing this on? As he hasn't done it for nearly two seasons.
Mentioning him with KDB for any stat is completely irrelevant. KDB gets assists and influences games positively going forward. Paqueta doesn't anywhere near enough for his ability.
ATHammer wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 16:19It is entirely relevant in context. KDB was in a pass and move and £ for £ better team. He was also a better player. He gave the ball away more than anyone else despite that. Unlike Paqueta his recovery stats were more or less non existent because of the quality of players around him. Generally Paqueta recovers a lot of lost passes, compensating for his own errors and the lack of colleagues ability.
Fact is Paqueta is a fucking good player. His risk taking is the West Ham way. It can be exciting, entertaining and a pleasure to watch. That he gets fucked off, is inconsistent when regularly played out of position is unsurprising.
He should be judged on his performance in the number 8 role with movement around him. Currently there is Summerville and Bowen. The rest of the midfield has less movement than the average tree.
My points remain.
1. If Paqueta was our only problem at the club we would be in a good place.
2. If expectations have been lowered to the point, and some are satisfied, with the likes of JWP; Soucek; Irving; Rodrigues etc. In midfield instead of Paqueta then OK. But, out of those alternatives where is the creation coming from?
Whilst Paqueta might not have made the last pass in for a goal in the last 2 years he most definitely has been involved often in build up play.
Personally I would like to see Nuno get the best out him by providing a functioning midfield around him. Probably Potts and or Mugassa with time given to Fernandes. Kante and Earthy and possibly Fearon in due course should also have opportunities. Given the state we are in it will be hard but, If he is then regularly shit then bench him. Fact is Soucek; Rodrigues; Irving have all been hanged, weighed and found wanting so should join JWP behind the benches.
Nuno needs to do something to get the best out of his best players, and fast. Setting up like Monday was truly bad and hopefully a one off mistake.
Pshyco scored all 4" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 17:50 Absolutely mental calling out Nuno. The issues lay with the idiotic dwarf and the useless Tory whore .
El Scorchio" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 15:40Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 15:14El Scorchio" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 14:55Exactly this. KDB is a great shout. I'm also not trying to say Paqueta is near as good, but yes his pass completion is pretty low- even in a team like Man City- because he's trying to make things happen and get on the attack. That's how Paqueta will have been taught to play from being a kid and if you don't want that then why buy the bloke? Coach it out of him and you end up with another JWP too scared to play it forward for fear of losing it. We play with too much fear. We played with fear under Moyes and under Potter. We were too cavalier under Lop.
Big difference for KDB is that he was also playing with players multitudes better than ours, in a settled side who know what he's thinking and he knows what they are thinking. Even then it doesn't come off a lot of the time as the percentage will attest to. The other difference is that they have far better players in MF and defence as well, so losing the ball isn't essentially a death sentence for the team as they can press or harass and win it back usually high up the pitch and not immediately get ripped through resulting in a really good chance for the opposition, like it is for us. It looks a lot worse for us than other teams if we lose possession because we're so shit and disjointed off the ball.
Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him. For that we need a settled midfield and a settled striker, and the reassurance for him that if it goes astray we aren't instantly fucked or under tremendous pressure."Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him."
Is it though? What are you basing this on? As he hasn't done it for nearly two seasons.
Mentioning him with KDB for any stat is completely irrelevant. KDB gets assists and influences games positively going forward. Paqueta doesn't anywhere near enough for his ability.No he hasn't- and aside from Bowen no-one has- because the whole team is a mess. The point being if you want a player like him to perform, then you have to build them a platform to be able to be successful. And if not Paqueta out of our current squad, then who? There's no-one else.
Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 15:14El Scorchio" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 14:55ATHammer wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 13:50Disagree. Kevin DeBruyne had one of the worst completion rates, regularly, in the Premier league. Playing in a pass and move team those risky passes he played that came off were league winning. Paqueta is never going to stop taking risks or trying the difficult pass. Nor should he. He isn't as good as DeBruyne, obviously, but he is a fucking good player who is clearly very frustrated at West Ham. More to the point his type of football is what West Ham should be aspiring too, not lowering our expectations to the likes of JWP, fantastic pass completion rate; Soucek, can he actually pass? Rodrigues, remind me what he does, Irving, etc.
I give Paqueta great credit for sticking around, probably in the full knowledge that Sullivan wanted to flog him; that playing under Potter (as it was then) would be challenging; and some of us would be daft enough to get on his back.
If Paqueta was the only thing wrong with this club then we would not be in particularly bad place.Exactly this. KDB is a great shout. I'm also not trying to say Paqueta is near as good, but yes his pass completion is pretty low- even in a team like Man City- because he's trying to make things happen and get on the attack. That's how Paqueta will have been taught to play from being a kid and if you don't want that then why buy the bloke? Coach it out of him and you end up with another JWP too scared to play it forward for fear of losing it. We play with too much fear. We played with fear under Moyes and under Potter. We were too cavalier under Lop.
Big difference for KDB is that he was also playing with players multitudes better than ours, in a settled side who know what he's thinking and he knows what they are thinking. Even then it doesn't come off a lot of the time as the percentage will attest to. The other difference is that they have far better players in MF and defence as well, so losing the ball isn't essentially a death sentence for the team as they can press or harass and win it back usually high up the pitch and not immediately get ripped through resulting in a really good chance for the opposition, like it is for us. It looks a lot worse for us than other teams if we lose possession because we're so shit and disjointed off the ball.
Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him. For that we need a settled midfield and a settled striker, and the reassurance for him that if it goes astray we aren't instantly fucked or under tremendous pressure."Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him."
Is it though? What are you basing this on? As he hasn't done it for nearly two seasons.
Mentioning him with KDB for any stat is completely irrelevant. KDB gets assists and influences games positively going forward. Paqueta doesn't anywhere near enough for his ability.