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El Scorchio" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 14:55

ATHammer wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 13:50

gpike wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 12:42 Paq has been by and large awful for the last two seasons in any position he has been played in. He loses possession constantly hits the deck on any challenge that refs now, because of his play acting, do not give as fouls so the opposition can break on us. The pass complete percentage is appalling as he tries the impossible pass more often that not and the ball is lost again. We will instantly be better as a team if he is on the bench 

 

Disagree. Kevin DeBruyne had one of the worst completion rates, regularly, in the Premier league. Playing in a pass and move team those risky passes he played that came off were league winning. Paqueta is never going to stop taking risks or trying the difficult pass. Nor should he. He isn't as good as DeBruyne, obviously, but he is a fucking good player who is clearly very frustrated at West Ham. More to the point his type of football is what West Ham should be aspiring too, not lowering our expectations to the likes of JWP, fantastic pass completion rate; Soucek, can he actually pass? Rodrigues, remind me what he does, Irving, etc.
I give Paqueta great credit for sticking around, probably in the full knowledge that Sullivan wanted to flog him; that playing under Potter (as it was then) would be challenging; and some of us would be daft enough to get on his back.
If Paqueta was the only thing wrong with this club then we would not be in particularly bad place.

Exactly this. KDB is a great shout. I'm also not trying to say Paqueta is near as good, but yes his pass completion is pretty low- even in a team like Man City- because he's trying to make things happen and get on the attack. That's how Paqueta will have been taught to play from being a kid and if you don't want that then why buy the bloke? Coach it out of him and you end up with another JWP too scared to play it forward for fear of losing it. We play with too much fear. We played with fear under Moyes and under Potter. We were too cavalier under Lop.

Big difference for KDB is that he was also playing with players multitudes better than ours, in a settled side who know what he's thinking and he knows what they are thinking. Even then it doesn't come off a lot of the time as the percentage will attest to. The other difference is that they have far better players in MF and defence as well, so losing the ball isn't essentially a death sentence for the team as they can press or harass and win it back usually high up the pitch and not immediately get ripped through resulting in a really good chance for the opposition, like it is for us. It looks a lot worse for us than other teams if we lose possession because we're so shit and disjointed off the ball.

Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him. For that we need a settled midfield and a settled striker, and the reassurance for him that if it goes astray we aren't instantly fucked or under tremendous pressure.

ATHammer wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 13:50

gpike wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 12:42 Paq has been by and large awful for the last two seasons in any position he has been played in. He loses possession constantly hits the deck on any challenge that refs now, because of his play acting, do not give as fouls so the opposition can break on us. The pass complete percentage is appalling as he tries the impossible pass more often that not and the ball is lost again. We will instantly be better as a team if he is on the bench 

 

Disagree. Kevin DeBruyne had one of the worst completion rates, regularly, in the Premier league. Playing in a pass and move team those risky passes he played that came off were league winning. Paqueta is never going to stop taking risks or trying the difficult pass. Nor should he. He isn't as good as DeBruyne, obviously, but he is a fucking good player who is clearly very frustrated at West Ham. More to the point his type of football is what West Ham should be aspiring too, not lowering our expectations to the likes of JWP, fantastic pass completion rate; Soucek, can he actually pass? Rodrigues, remind me what he does, Irving, etc.
I give Paqueta great credit for sticking around, probably in the full knowledge that Sullivan wanted to flog him; that playing under Potter (as it was then) would be challenging; and some of us would be daft enough to get on his back.
If Paqueta was the only thing wrong with this club then we would not be in particularly bad place.

gpike wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 12:42 Paq has been by and large awful for the last two seasons in any position he has been played in. He loses possession constantly hits the deck on any challenge that refs now, because of his play acting, do not give as fouls so the opposition can break on us. The pass complete percentage is appalling as he tries the impossible pass more often that not and the ball is lost again. We will instantly be better as a team if he is on the bench 

El Scorchio" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 12:53

factory seconds" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 12:25 paqueta is one of our very few players who doesn't treat the ball like a farmer's daughter treats her corpulent syphilitic earl of a husband on their arranged wedding night, for that he stays in the XI.

Yup and I think he pays the price for taking more risks with the ball in that it'll get taken off him sometimes or the more risky pass won't come off. Sometimes that's because it's intercepted or sometimes because the other players don't have the anticipation to be ready for it or move for it. These are the things that can only be worked on through consistency in the team. If it's different players every time it's much harder to know what they'll try and do.

But back to the point, I'm sure his pass completion rate is toilet compared to JWP, but that's because JWP just passes it 10 yards sideways and backwards doing absolutely nothing for the team. Paqueta is much more trying to get the ball forward or playing a through ball. Definitely a lower success rate but it's clear which one is more beneficial if we want to be an attacking force as a team. And I should add it's not his fault nor should he be put in the position where if he loses the ball then we're immediately in desperation stakes because the rest of the team, particularly the defenders and deep midfielders are so fucking poor or inadequate that every time we lose it, the oppo look like scoring.

We never have a chance to gel because it's so mix and match. It's clear that teams that have consistency from one game to another or over the course of a season perform better. 

ATHammer wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 12:19

Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 11:04 Paqueta's last assist in the league was the 4-3 Kalvin Phillips cameo up at Newcastle. About a season and a half ago. 

If he was a good number 10 he would always play there, he gets moved about as he has talent but is more interested in giving the ball away or diving on the floor then taking the game by the scruff of the neck and getting goals and assists. 

Losing out on £80m for him from Man City is one of the biggest sliding doors moments in our history. He isn't even worth half that now. 

Knocking Paqueta is pointless. We have had three fucking useless managers, and now Nuno who, for me the jury is out, who have played him as a "false 9" because the little cսnt would not finance a good striker. 
Whether Paqueta blows hot and cold isn't the issue. He is hardly likely to be creative in a false 9 role and neither, as under Moyes at times, on the left wing.
If Paqueta had not performed when being played in his central midfield role then fair enough, slag him. If he is less productive when playing out of position then who's fault is that?

Sir Alf" wrote: ↑21 Oct 2025, 19:09 ———————- Areola 
AWB.   Todibo ( Greek is injured ) Kilman   Diouf / KWP
———. Potts ——- Magassa ——— Paqueta
————— Fernandes ————————-
Bowen —————————— Summerville

Thats our best 11 - 13 in terms of athleticism, pace and strength !!! And the bar is set fairly low in that respect.  
Impact subs Soucek, Wilson and Marshall although he would be tail end of games at best. Thats it.  might be wirth pulling the young lafs Kante and Fearon into the squad for minutes. They are strong and Fearon quick? 

Tactics will need to be low block, keep compact with 3 always in the midfield and sometimes 4 looking for fast counters to score.  Moyesball with real discipline keepingbtge shape and if you dont run u dont play. Then hope we scrape a few points before Jan and then somehow make 3 signings, striker, centre mid ( Bissouma for me ) and a CB the whole spine of the team.  

unlikely all this happens hence relegation seems to be odds on ?

factory seconds" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 12:25 paqueta is one of our very few players who doesn't treat the ball like a farmer's daughter treats her corpulent syphilitic earl of a husband on their arranged wedding night, for that he stays in the XI.

Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 11:04 Paqueta's last assist in the league was the 4-3 Kalvin Phillips cameo up at Newcastle. About a season and a half ago. 

If he was a good number 10 he would always play there, he gets moved about as he has talent but is more interested in giving the ball away or diving on the floor then taking the game by the scruff of the neck and getting goals and assists. 

Losing out on £80m for him from Man City is one of the biggest sliding doors moments in our history. He isn't even worth half that now. 

fraser wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 11:18

Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 11:04 Paqueta's last assist in the league was the 4-3 Kalvin Phillips cameo up at Newcastle. About a season and a half ago. 

If he was a good number 10 he would always play there, he gets moved about as he has talent but is more interested in giving the ball away or diving on the floor then taking the game by the scruff of the neck and getting goals and assists. 

Losing out on £80m for him from Man City is one of the biggest sliding doors moments in our history. He isn't even worth half that now. 

He has never been a 10... He's been heavily involved in a high percentage of our goals, two of them at Forest don't happen without him, I never understand why some don't count that. I've seen quite a few chances created by him that aren't finished and he wins more duals and wins the ball back more than anyone in our team, so yeah lets remove that and replace it with who?

Like I said because he's underperforming like everyone he's still doing some things the best in our team so why remove that. 

Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 11:04 Paqueta's last assist in the league was the 4-3 Kalvin Phillips cameo up at Newcastle. About a season and a half ago. 

If he was a good number 10 he would always play there, he gets moved about as he has talent but is more interested in giving the ball away or diving on the floor then taking the game by the scruff of the neck and getting goals and assists. 

Losing out on £80m for him from Man City is one of the biggest sliding doors moments in our history. He isn't even worth half that now. 

Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 10:16 Yep you're probably mostly right, but if the output of most of the useless overpaid wankers is close to zero.....I would rather try a promising youngster or someone else rather than watch Paqueta or Kilman trot out another 3/10 performance Friday 

They are all playing shit but I've had enough of watching Paqueta farting about chasing shadows every week...He clearly doesn't want to be here.

Maybe a Potts/Magassa/Fernandes midfield 3 deserves a go. At least they have youth on their side. AWB and Diouf on the overlap. The trouble is the central defence and striker positions are still very poor and undercooked. 

Otherwise it's the alternative of Guido/Soucek/Paqueta in the middle which sounds less impressive considering JWP and Irving are on the bench. We need a beast in midfield who knows how to sheild our nervous defence to make them look better. Where do you find one of those with our twat of an owner holding the purse strings?

Nightmare

Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 10:07

fraser wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 10:02 Why do any of them deserve to be dropped before others, they've all been equally shit and that includes Bowen.. 

I would say Kilman, JWP, Soucek have been standouts so far this season for all the wrong reasons. 

Paqueta seems to avoid criticism as he does some stepovers and is Brazillian but as a creative number 10 his output has been shocking for years now. 

fraser wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 10:02 Why do any of them deserve to be dropped before others, they've all been equally shit and that includes Bowen.. 

Come On You Irons" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 09:56

Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 09:08

Sir Alf" wrote: ↑21 Oct 2025, 19:09 ———————- Areola 
AWB.   Todibo ( Greek is injured ) Kilman   Diouf / KWP
———. Potts ——- Magassa ——— Paqueta
————— Fernandes ————————-
Bowen —————————— Summerville

Thats our best 11 - 13 in terms of athleticism, pace and strength !!! And the bar is set fairly low in that respect.  
Impact subs Soucek, Wilson and Marshall although he would be tail end of games at best. Thats it.  might be wirth pulling the young lafs Kante and Fearon into the squad for minutes. They are strong and Fearon quick? 

Tactics will need to be low block, keep compact with 3 always in the midfield and sometimes 4 looking for fast counters to score.  Moyesball with real discipline keepingbtge shape and if you dont run u dont play. Then hope we scrape a few points before Jan and then somehow make 3 signings, striker, centre mid ( Bissouma for me ) and a CB the whole spine of the team.  

unlikely all this happens hence relegation seems to be odds on ?

The sad thing is that looking at that team, (which may be our strongest) is that half of it you are starting because there is no one else rather than you believe they have earned their spots and have been performing well 

Paqueta, Kilman, Magassa, Todibo and maybe Fernandes don't deserve to play Friday. The absolute state of us. 

                                 Areola 
                      AWB Todibo Igor 
           KWP  Potts Fernandes  Diouf 
                      Marshall  Summerville 
                                 Bowen 

Something like this is what I would want to see and persist with.  Stop playing the fucking useless slow ineffective cunts that we have to endure so far this season.  Play the youth, play the ones that can run and see where it takes us. 

I'd also not be opposed to Fearon starting to get minutes as his partnership with Potts has looked strong in the 23's 

Rodriguez, Irving, Soucek, JWP should be left out of the squad for Friday, whats the point in having them around anymore?  they offer fuck all. 

I agree with you regarding Paqueta, Kilman and Todibo, but what has Magassa done to deserve being dropped? He didn't play at all on Monday.

Wilson has to start over League One level Marshall though.

Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 09:08

Sir Alf" wrote: ↑21 Oct 2025, 19:09 ———————- Areola 
AWB.   Todibo ( Greek is injured ) Kilman   Diouf / KWP
———. Potts ——- Magassa ——— Paqueta
————— Fernandes ————————-
Bowen —————————— Summerville

Thats our best 11 - 13 in terms of athleticism, pace and strength !!! And the bar is set fairly low in that respect.  
Impact subs Soucek, Wilson and Marshall although he would be tail end of games at best. Thats it.  might be wirth pulling the young lafs Kante and Fearon into the squad for minutes. They are strong and Fearon quick? 

Tactics will need to be low block, keep compact with 3 always in the midfield and sometimes 4 looking for fast counters to score.  Moyesball with real discipline keepingbtge shape and if you dont run u dont play. Then hope we scrape a few points before Jan and then somehow make 3 signings, striker, centre mid ( Bissouma for me ) and a CB the whole spine of the team.  

unlikely all this happens hence relegation seems to be odds on ?

The sad thing is that looking at that team, (which may be our strongest) is that half of it you are starting because there is no one else rather than you believe they have earned their spots and have been performing well 

Paqueta, Kilman, Magassa, Todibo and maybe Fernandes don't deserve to play Friday. The absolute state of us. 

                                 Areola 
                      AWB Todibo Igor 
           KWP  Potts Fernandes  Diouf 
                      Marshall  Summerville 
                                 Bowen 

Something like this is what I would want to see and persist with.  Stop playing the fucking useless slow ineffective cunts that we have to endure so far this season.  Play the youth, play the ones that can run and see where it takes us. 

I'd also not be opposed to Fearon starting to get minutes as his partnership with Potts has looked strong in the 23's 

Rodriguez, Irving, Soucek, JWP should be left out of the squad for Friday, whats the point in having them around anymore?  they offer fuck all. 

Sir Alf" wrote: ↑21 Oct 2025, 19:09 ———————- Areola 
AWB.   Todibo ( Greek is injured ) Kilman   Diouf / KWP
———. Potts ——- Magassa ——— Paqueta
————— Fernandes ————————-
Bowen —————————— Summerville

Thats our best 11 - 13 in terms of athleticism, pace and strength !!! And the bar is set fairly low in that respect.  
Impact subs Soucek, Wilson and Marshall although he would be tail end of games at best. Thats it.  might be wirth pulling the young lafs Kante and Fearon into the squad for minutes. They are strong and Fearon quick? 

Tactics will need to be low block, keep compact with 3 always in the midfield and sometimes 4 looking for fast counters to score.  Moyesball with real discipline keepingbtge shape and if you dont run u dont play. Then hope we scrape a few points before Jan and then somehow make 3 signings, striker, centre mid ( Bissouma for me ) and a CB the whole spine of the team.  

unlikely all this happens hence relegation seems to be odds on ?