NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

Final Sunday of the regular season and some key playoff places still to be sealed.

And then the madness of Black Monday and the scramble to recruit new coaches. Let the mayhem begin…

[southbankbornnbred]

it's like having full control of mk dons, the bloke is a definite oddball. 

I agree. And that will be the risk with Johnson this winter: he’s entirely unproven as a HC, but some sides will hurl big offers at him.

By most accounts, he’s very talented. But you just never know how, or if, somebody will step up from co-ordinator to HC. Saleh looked like a guy who might, and yet if anything he was getting a tiny bit worse by the end of his first stab at it (he’ll be back, wiser, at some point: like Pete Carroll, Todd Bowles etc).

Jets might have to back away from the Johnson hype if it gets too loud and expensive. Vrabel was a good interviewee, I’m sure, and we could do with a solid,  old skool rebuild rather than another big reach - despite Johnson’s obvious potential.

I’d be happy with Vrabel, if I’m honest. No guarantees, of course, but he feels Jets-like.

[Takashi Miike]

it's like having full control of mk dons, the bloke is a definite oddball. 

[southbankbornnbred]

this isn't surprising, given that he refused an interview by text with our gm (adam peters) as they were flying out to meet him. other than the weather, why would you want the fucking  jags job?

He’s being savvy because he’s in demand (more than anybody else). He’s going to roll into that Jags interview and demand wide-ranging powers and complete control of the side. Which the desperate Jags might offer. He’s also going to demand big wages. Which the Jags may or may not offer.

He’s basically demanding a blank cheque in Jacksonville.

But he’ll be laying down a marker for other franchises. Anybody who then wants to beat the Jags to him (and there will be several sides) will have to match, or better, his team demands - and might have to offer him even more money.

Rightly or wrongly, he’s the most sought after potential new HC. So he’s got #1 draft pick-style leverage!

[Takashi Miike]

this isn't surprising, given that he refused an interview by text with our gm (adam peters) as they were flying out to meet him. other than the weather, why would you want the fucking  jags job?

[southbankbornnbred]

watched a podcast from a year or so ago with one of our ex players (will compton) talking to vrabel, he shook up the titans locker room that first year he was there (loads of players struggled with him). no fucking about, but he soon gained the players respect 

Daniels could become one heck of a player. He’s already very good, and he’s a rookie. Are you interested in a swap with an ageing MVP and   self-regarding darkroom philosopher?

[southbankbornnbred]

Favourite Mike Vrabel quote:

Interview Question: Would you cut your dick off for a Superbowl win as a coach?

Vrabel's answer: "Well, I've been married 20 years. So, yes. Probably."

That's what's needed in New York. But after he wins a Superbowl. We've already had quite a few dickless and winless coaches.

[Takashi Miike]

watched a podcast from a year or so ago with one of our ex players (will compton) talking to vrabel, he shook up the titans locker room that first year he was there (loads of players struggled with him). no fucking about, but he soon gained the players respect 

[southbankbornnbred]

Serious point is that Vrabel is one of four I'd interview for the Jets job.

Johnson (Detroit OC), Vrabel, Glenn (Detroit DC and ex-Jet) and Monken (Baltimore OC).

I'd probably take one of those four. But the really important Q will be whether Woody rejoins Trump's ambassadorial team and relieves himself from running the Jets while he's overseas. Then we can appoint a decent GM and, who knows, maybe even start to change the loser culture! The risk is that Woody hands over to his brother again...he appoints a "yes man" GM and it's just more of the same shite...

[southbankbornnbred]

Jets are going to interview Mike Vrabel.

https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-to-interv ... aching-job

I'll have a bit of that.

He's not the very best coach around, but he's by no means the worst.

Frankly, "he's not the worst" is about as good as it gets for us after this season plus 14 years without the play-offs.

Guy's got a chip on his shoulder, too, which I think will actually help him in New York. This is the city of punk, McEnroe and hip-hop. "Fuck you" should be the Jets' motto.

[zebthecat]

Jets are going to interview Mike Vrabel.

https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-to-interv ... aching-job

[Takashi Miike]

I listen to a couple of Dallas blokes and they're sure Mccarthy's going nowhere, especially after Jerry's clown son Stephen said just days ago that nothing much will change in regard to talent hiring and it will be pretty much the same as this year, mainly due to them planning on making Micah Parsons the highest paid defensive player ever. The incompetence there is off the charts 

[southbankbornnbred]

Ron's a great person and had to deal with a psychopath owner while being treated for cancer. My only criticism was his choice of coaches and draft picks (pretty big concerns ), as a bloke he was spot on. He'd be ideal in a club president role. Repeating myself again, you need a younger man in charge. Johnson (Lions), Slowik (Texans), even Kingsbury though I don't want him to jump after one year. Another good coach suddenly being considered again by other clubs is Jon Gruden. I know that freak Gase didn't work for you, but that was the right idea. Sadly it showed in his opening press conference that he wasn't the full shilling

Rivera does strike me as a really nice bloke, but his record as a coach was not great as you know. I know he worked for a nutjob, but he'd have the same problem at the Jets. And his choices while working for a nutjob were not good.

He might actually be somebody we could look at as a potential GM, as he's experienced and has much wider knowledge. I also like the idea of the new GM being somebody who has been a bit more hands on as a coach in the past. But Rivera probably wants to coach again.

On the HCs, I think the three big candidates ought to be Ben Johnson (although everybody will be after him, and somebody like Dallas will throw huge money at him), Mike Vrabel and Aaron Glenn.

I like Vrabel. His record at Tennessee was very good until that final year. I like his proven win record. He's also very "fuck you" and his hard-ass mindset will help him in New York. I know other franchises don't like to admit it, but the media frenzy/pressure in New York does play on coaches in the Big Apple a bit more, and you have to have a very thick skin to cope with the incessant intrusion and potential cuntish-ness of the New York media (and I say that as a hack). Just today, the New York Post has devoted almost an entire back page to one message: don't appoint Rex Ryan as HC (which I happen to agree with).

Other potential HC candidates I'd look at if I were the Jets would be Todd Monken (currently OC at Baltimore). He's into his 50s and has the experience a new HC might need in New York, and he also runs a dynamic read-option offense that would help Jordan Travis if we turn to him next season.

Not so sure about Slowik. His record looks good on paper, as OC at Houston. But I'm not sure to what extent he calls the offensive plays. Don't Houston have quite a hands-on assistant HC (who is an offensive mind)? I might be wrong, but he sounds a bit Eric Bieniemy. If it's a choice of Slowik or somebody like Vrabel, I'd go with the proven HC (with a good win record) every time.

My choices would be: Johnson, Vrabel, Glenn or Monken. And I'm giving Glenn (also unproven as a HC) as an option purely because he loves the Jets and would hurl himself into the job.

[Takashi Miike]

Ron's a great person and had to deal with a psychopath owner while being treated for cancer. My only criticism was his choice of coaches and draft picks (pretty big concerns ), as a bloke he was spot on. He'd be ideal in a club president role. Repeating myself again, you need a younger man in charge. Johnson (Lions), Slowik (Texans), even Kingsbury though I don't want him to jump after one year. Another good coach suddenly being considered again by other clubs is Jon Gruden. I know that freak Gase didn't work for you, but that was the right idea. Sadly it showed in his opening press conference that he wasn't the full shilling

[southbankbornnbred]

Guess they can’t really interview Glenn until Detroit’s season has ended, which might be a while yet. So maybe they’re ticking the Rooney Rule box early.

That whole rule has become a shambles.

 

[southbankbornnbred]

TM - It looks like Ron Rivera’s interview with the Jets is merely the “Rooney Rule” interview.

As a Latino, it seems that Rivera meets the “minority” criteria. So it might just be a box-ticking exercise.

Not sure many people in New York think he will get the job. But you watch, he’ll probably “impress” Woody with some insane gobbledegook and land it anyway!

If true, though, this doesn’t bode well for Brian Flores or Aaron Glenn - both black coaches linked with the job.

[southbankbornnbred]

As things stand - and bearing in mind that there will be  many coaching changes on Monday next week - any Jets HC shortlist surely must include: Vrabel, Johnson and Glenn.

They’ll be on many shortlists, of course. But the Jets have got to start completing for top-level talent from the top down. At GM level, too.

I’d take Vrabel as HC (would probably have offered it to him or Glenn by now, to be honest) and then focused on bringing in the best team around him. Vrabel has a touch of the “fuck you” about him, which I think you need to succeed in Gotham. Glenn has the Jets in his veins and would throw himself into the role.

Ryan has surely been out of the game for too long (eight seasons). He was a brilliant defensive mind - even against Belichick and Brady. But he was hopeless on offense and he’s been away for too long.

We have to seek to appoint somebody better than the guy we ditched: Saleh. Rivera is not that man.

The other thing I'd say about the Jets and its utterly faltering offense next season is that, whoever the head coach is next term, if Rodgers retires or leaves (and I hope he does) and they try Jordan Travis for one season, then they should pick a HC or at least an OC who runs a read-option offense.

Travis is savvy, quick and a good runner and, while he can drop back and throw, looks well-suited to a run-heavy read-option style offense where both the RB and he are live options to run the ball at the point of play. We've already got two good RBs - Hall and Allen - and what we need is a good o-line to start moving the ball. In the absence of a top-ten QB, and being unlikely to draft one in 2025, we'd be best suited to playing to Travis' strengths. He doesn't strike me as a pocket QB. We could probably pick up another back-up QB well-suited to the read-option approach: even somebody like Fields (who will probably leave the Steelers) - providing he's aware he would be the back-up.

All unless a very fine QB falls to us in the draft, which I can't see happening.

[Trilby55]

I did feel for the Niners kicker last night ….. missed two field goals and an extra point . His onside kick at the end almost ended up in a camera crew on the side lines . It looks like they’ve stuck by him when he’s been going thru a purple patch after an injury . Apology if I’ve got any of this wrong . 

[southbankbornnbred]

One thing I'll say about Ron is he was put in pretty much an impossible position approaching last year, and was stitched up (like every other HC we had during that time) by that cսnt Snyder. He (Ron) allowed him (Snyder) to bring in Eric Bienemy as OC and assistant HC, and I've no doubt he would have had Rivera's job the next season if it had gone well. It got off to the worst of starts with EB falling out with senior players in training camp, and it never ever recovered. It didn't take many games to realise that Andy Reid calls everything in Kansas, and Eric was pretty much fucking useless at calling plays, and it continued this past season with UCLA


I'd go younger and an offensive minded coach if it was me making the decision, but coaches with experience. I like Vrabel, he gets on well with his players and likes running the ball

Yeah, I know what you mean about a preference for an offensive mind as a new HC. But the problem is that, Johnson (OC) in Detroit aside, there aren’t currently many options that are either on the market or likely to hit the market as a potential HC.

The Jets, like many sides, should inquire about Johnson. But my gut feeling is that he’ll have his pick of some better established franchises. If he came to Gotham - great!

Vrabel and Glenn are probably more realistic targets for us. We’d probably like Vrabel: good Jets football (admittedly not a regular feature of recent seasons!) had tended to be hard-ass defense and running the ball behind a savvy and non-starry QB who doesn’t want to throw all of the time.

But it could all change next week, when the coaching merry-go-round begins.

[Takashi Miike]

One thing I'll say about Ron is he was put in pretty much an impossible position approaching last year, and was stitched up (like every other HC we had during that time) by that cսnt Snyder. He (Ron) allowed him (Snyder) to bring in Eric Bienemy as OC and assistant HC, and I've no doubt he would have had Rivera's job the next season if it had gone well. It got off to the worst of starts with EB falling out with senior players in training camp, and it never ever recovered. It didn't take many games to realise that Andy Reid calls everything in Kansas, and Eric was pretty much fucking useless at calling plays, and it continued this past season with UCLA


I'd go younger and an offensive minded coach if it was me making the decision, but coaches with experience. I like Vrabel, he gets on well with his players and likes running the ball

[southbankbornnbred]

As things stand - and bearing in mind that there will be  many coaching changes on Monday next week - any Jets HC shortlist surely must include: Vrabel, Johnson and Glenn.

They’ll be on many shortlists, of course. But the Jets have got to start completing for top-level talent from the top down. At GM level, too.

I’d take Vrabel as HC (would probably have offered it to him or Glenn by now, to be honest) and then focused on bringing in the best team around him. Vrabel has a touch of the “fuck you” about him, which I think you need to succeed in Gotham. Glenn has the Jets in his veins and would throw himself into the role.

Ryan has surely been out of the game for too long (eight seasons). He was a brilliant defensive mind - even against Belichick and Brady. But he was hopeless on offense and he’s been away for too long.

We have to seek to appoint somebody better than the guy we ditched: Saleh. Rivera is not that man.

[southbankbornnbred]

Been watching since the early 80s, he's the best rookie QB I've seen for any team. I noticed he was different in a press conference before the Bengals game, early in the season, and I've watched every game this season and apart from the Carolina match when he got hurt, he's never look stressed. Watch him in the final minutes of games and he's still smiling, looking like he's over the park with friends (regarding the playoffs, we can beat anyone but we're a year early regarding roster strength and lack of weapons)

I noticed Rivera had interviewed for your job. He's a nice man but he's not what you need. He has questionable evaluation abilities regarding staff hires, poor judgement recruiting players and you should be looking at younger coaches like Johnson or the OC at Texas. Ron and Rex Ryan should be given a wide berth

Rivera would likely be another disaster for the Jets.

We have to do better than that.

[southbankbornnbred]

Contrast Daniels’ attitude in his rookie year with that of Zach Wilson after we drafted him.

World’s apart.

Wilson had (has) talent, but his attitude and ego stunk the place out.

[southbankbornnbred]

Been watching since the early 80s, he's the best rookie QB I've seen for any team. I noticed he was different in a press conference before the Bengals game, early in the season, and I've watched every game this season and apart from the Carolina match when he got hurt, he's never look stressed. Watch him in the final minutes of games and he's still smiling, looking like he's over the park with friends (regarding the playoffs, we can beat anyone but we're a year early regarding roster strength and lack of weapons)

I noticed Rivera had interviewed for your job. He's a nice man but he's not what you need. He has questionable evaluation abilities regarding staff hires, poor judgement recruiting players and you should be looking at younger coaches like Johnson or the OC at Texas. Ron and Rex Ryan should be given a wide berth

Yeah, Daniels is impressively relaxed-yet-focused in those crucial final minutes of games. Doesn’t seem to tighten up or get nervous. It’s what marks out the top-level QBs. And his skill set is already high.

You just need to keep his feet on the ground, and he looks and sounds like he will.

[Takashi Miike]

Been watching since the early 80s, he's the best rookie QB I've seen for any team. I noticed he was different in a press conference before the Bengals game, early in the season, and I've watched every game this season and apart from the Carolina match when he got hurt, he's never look stressed. Watch him in the final minutes of games and he's still smiling, looking like he's over the park with friends (regarding the playoffs, we can beat anyone but we're a year early regarding roster strength and lack of weapons)

I noticed Rivera had interviewed for your job. He's a nice man but he's not what you need. He has questionable evaluation abilities regarding staff hires, poor judgement recruiting players and you should be looking at younger coaches like Johnson or the OC at Texas. Ron and Rex Ryan should be given a wide berth