Fights that would have had a different outcome if both fighters were in their prime.
I’ll go Hagler v Leonard and Tyson v Hollyfield.
Who you got?
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Nov 2025, 09:42
by Council Scum
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑17 Nov 2025, 09:33
Roy Jones Jr. had a career total of 121 amateur fights and won a silver medal at the 1988 Olympics. His professional career included 66 wins and 10 losses in 76 total fights before his bout with Joe Calzaghe, which he lost by unanimous decision. Amateur and Olympic record
Amateur record: 121 wins and 13 losses.
1988 Olympics: Won a silver medal at the 1988 Seoul Olympics as a light middleweight for the United States.
Oleksandr Usyk's record up to his second professional fight with Daniel Dubois in July 2025 stands at 359 total fights (335 amateur, 24 professional) with only 15 losses, all in his amateur career.
Usyk had a highly decorated amateur career with an official record of 335 wins and 15 losses, culminating in an Olympic gold medal at the London 2012 Games.
Amateur and Olympic Fights: Usyk had an extensive and highly successful amateur career, competing in approximately 350 fights with a record of 335 wins and 15 losses. His amateur career included winning a gold medal at the 2012 London Olympics and a bronze medal at the 2008 Beijing Olympics.
Professional Fights: Prior to his first bout with Dubois, Usyk was an undefeated professional boxer with a record of 20 wins and 0 losses (13 by knockout).
And as I said previous, has also been in the ring against some of the heaviest hitters around so he's taken his fair share of punishment in the ring as well down the years.
Amateur boxing is nothing like Pro boxing, it's a completely meaningless stat. But I probably don't need to explain that to you, you seem to know your stuff.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Nov 2025, 09:33
by Massive Attack
Roy Jones Jr. had a career total of 121 amateur fights and won a silver medal at the 1988 Olympics. His professional career included 66 wins and 10 losses in 76 total fights before his bout with Joe Calzaghe, which he lost by unanimous decision. Amateur and Olympic record
Amateur record: 121 wins and 13 losses.
1988 Olympics: Won a silver medal at the 1988 Seoul Olympics as a light middleweight for the United States.
Oleksandr Usyk's record up to his second professional fight with Daniel Dubois in July 2025 stands at 359 total fights (335 amateur, 24 professional) with only 15 losses, all in his amateur career.
Usyk had a highly decorated amateur career with an official record of 335 wins and 15 losses, culminating in an Olympic gold medal at the London 2012 Games.
Amateur and Olympic Fights: Usyk had an extensive and highly successful amateur career, competing in approximately 350 fights with a record of 335 wins and 15 losses. His amateur career included winning a gold medal at the 2012 London Olympics and a bronze medal at the 2008 Beijing Olympics.
Professional Fights: Prior to his first bout with Dubois, Usyk was an undefeated professional boxer with a record of 20 wins and 0 losses (13 by knockout).
And as I said previous, has also been in the ring against some of the heaviest hitters around so he's taken his fair share of punishment in the ring as well down the years.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Nov 2025, 09:27
by Lee Trundle
I thought Eubank was surprisingly graceful in defeat.
You can blame Eddie Hearn for these shitty match ups and fights. He's been terrible for boxing.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Nov 2025, 09:14
by Council Scum
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑15 Nov 2025, 00:32
And yet someone like Usyk continues to go undefeated having also fought and won at different weight classes against some of the heaviest hitters around at a similar age to Roy Jones Junior losing to Calzaghe and on record as saying he's happy to continue on for another 3 years till he's 41. No one is denying Jones Junior wasn't quality, just that he wasn't as good as Calzaghe.
Usyk fights around once to twice a year at best, he's had 24 fights. Jnr had 57 by the time he fought Joe.
How did one of the lemons only score that by 6 rounds? It was a drubbing.
Especially when the last round was a 10-8 or even a 10-7 round. That would mean he gave Eubank at least four rounds. Still, the right result in the end
If the Ref was doing his job, it wouldn't have been a knock down, it's a back of the head punch and he should have been given time to recover.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 17 Nov 2025, 09:04
by Council Scum
It was a shit fight that never should have happened.
If you listened to the commentary, Benn dominated every round, Eubank didn't land a punch, it wasn't like that at all. So why people were surprised by some of the score cards I don't know.
Benn is a dope cheat that never cleared his name, Eubank was completely drained, they wanted their Dad's in their prime, they got two fighters at different points in their careers, weights and age, but money talks.
Boxing is now about the right marketing, not talent.
Get ready for Jake v AJ.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 16 Nov 2025, 16:06
by Nutsin
I rather enjoyed both Benn Jr v Eubank Jr fights. Better fights than most. Not quite as good as any of the Gotti v Ward fights but still very entertaining. Boxing needs more of these fights.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 16 Nov 2025, 14:51
by Briano
Eubank left everything in a puddle of sweat on the floor of the gym
Re: Boxing
Posted: 16 Nov 2025, 12:43
by MaryMillingtonsGhost
Not sure how true this is, but have just read that Mark Kaylor has passed away.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 16 Nov 2025, 10:50
by ,
As it stands after last night’s travesty of a “fight,” where sometimes the crowd whistled in derision of the spectacle, it is unlikely that fans will have their trousers taken down for a best of three meeting of Eubank Benn.
So I expect we will be lead down the path of other fights, that take careers nowhere, such as Joshua against anyone. The big con will be a Joshua Fury encounter, or two. A pair of washed up worn out husks whom the promoters will explain don’t really want to fight but the public are demanding it be so.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 16 Nov 2025, 10:47
by goose
Junior has made an awful lot of money from being a very average fighter.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 16 Nov 2025, 10:40
by GBHammer63
Amazing that so called judges had such varied scores, surely they are looking for the same things. If they were within a point or so of each other then fair enough but it’s like they are judging with bias.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 16 Nov 2025, 10:08
by MaryMillingtonsGhost
Ron Eff" wrote: ↑15 Nov 2025, 23:15
How did one of the lemons only score that by 6 rounds? It was a drubbing.
By my recknoning, he didn't.
He only gave Benn a 4 round victory:
Benn (8 x 10 pts + 4 x 9p pts) = 116 pts total
Eubank (4 x 10 pts + 8 x 9 pts) = 112 pts - 2 (for the double knockdown) = 110 pts total
8 to 4 in Benns favour.
Absolutely farcical scoring.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 16 Nov 2025, 09:28
by Iron Duke
How did one of the lemons only score that by 6 rounds? It was a drubbing.
Especially when the last round was a 10-8 or even a 10-7 round. That would mean he gave Eubank at least four rounds. Still, the right result in the end
Re: Boxing
Posted: 16 Nov 2025, 06:50
by Far Cough UKunt
Gotta support the Benns, aren't they West Ham?
Re: Boxing
Posted: 16 Nov 2025, 06:49
by Takashi Miike
Re: Boxing
Posted: 16 Nov 2025, 06:46
by GBHammer63
Pleased that Benn won, and easily, but the reality is neither of those boys could lace their father’s gloves, time will tell how good Conor is but he definitely proved there’s a much improved fighter in him. Nigel was my favourite back in the day, fought like every shot he hit his opponent with he was trying to finish the fight.
Good entertainment and nice to see some humility from Eubank.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 15 Nov 2025, 23:24
by Massive Attack
I actually have a soft spot for all 4 of them for different reasons. All big characters in their own right and the Benn/Eubank names a real credit to the sport. Always full of entertainment.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 15 Nov 2025, 23:15
by Ron Eff
Superb performance. Knew he lost last time purely on volumes despite being the aggressor and doing the most damage so played the game accordingly, and was still the aggressor, still doing the most damage and all but took him out at the death there.
How did one of the lemons only score that by 6 rounds? It was a drubbing.
A lot of hate for both, it seems. Don’t understand it for Benn, seems a decent bloke I think.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 15 Nov 2025, 23:09
by Massive Attack
Thought he'd win the re-match and didn't disappoint. Well done Benn, chip off the old block alright.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 15 Nov 2025, 23:07
by mallard
Great performance, didn’t expect it to be so one sided
Re: Boxing
Posted: 15 Nov 2025, 21:33
by mallard
Any Custard Creams ?
Re: Boxing
Posted: 15 Nov 2025, 21:14
by Nutsin
I’d like to see Benn win tonight. He needs to throw a jab this time around.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 15 Nov 2025, 19:52
by Gary Strodders shank
I've backed the draw at 16.5 on the exchanges with a saver on Eubank rounds 7-9 at 15/2.
Re: Boxing
Posted: 15 Nov 2025, 13:58
by goose
Looking forward to tonight’s fight. Not top level but a good domestic dust up nonetheless.
I think Benn might do it second time around.