"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 20:41
by Takashi Miike
I think the decision this week shows they're tanking, the weird thing about doing it is some coaches are guaranteed to lose their jobs in the process (Pierce in vegas, for one). I'm not sure Daboll is under that pressure, but it's difficult to balance throwing games and maintaining a good locker room spirit
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 20:29
by RBshorty
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 20:21
You know the media will want you to draft Deion's son, I think Ward's less of a gamble but you need to give him another receiver. Same with young Jayden, he's done great considering the lack of top weapons other than Terry
Well it’s Ward or Sanders, Miike. It’s now a race to bottom. Because if they don’t get either of the top two spots in the draft. They are going to have to mortgage the next few years. To get them.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 20:21
by Takashi Miike
You know the media will want you to draft Deion's son, I think Ward's less of a gamble but you need to give him another receiver. Same with young Jayden, he's done great considering the lack of top weapons other than Terry
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 20:17
by RBshorty
South. The issue is the game is now centred around the QB in ever aspect. On and off the field. Just look at the league standings. If you’re QB is injured or not Pro ready when you leave college. Your team is constantly on the back foot. The moment you’re QB goes down. That’s it. Season over.
Whoever the Giants draft. Won’t start on day 1. At worse they might get pulled in by the final third of next season.? Part of the reason we are here was because the organisation needed Jones on the field quickly. I think Mara might have learned for that experience.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 20:08
by southbankbornnbred
Mind you, just read a reminder that Jones was from the 2019 draft. Those five years have flown by. For some reason, I had it in my head that he was 2020 or 2021.
Five years is plenty of time to establish yourself, in fairness.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 19:55
by southbankbornnbred
RBshorty wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 19:41
Fair play to Jones Coming out yesterday and taking responsibility. Believe you me. It wasn’t solely on you.! Wish the guy well. Wherever he lands. And now it’s a race to the bottom. And Cam Ward come April.
GO G MEN.!
Yeah, off the pitch, Jones sounds quite mature considering he's been woeful this season. He knows he's played badly and he also knows that it's not just on him (hence, he's hoping to get picked up as a free agent). On the pitch, his head is scrambled at the moment.
He needs to do what Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold etc did after initial failures: go away, work harder on his game as a back-up for a bit (no pressure) and use his experience to get better. He could still have a half-decent NFL career.
I keep coming back to the same observation, though: the modern NFL's fixation with throwing first-round QBs straight into their teams not just as a starter, but also as somebody to carry the entire franchise, does most QBs no favours. It's still better to sit on the sidelines, learn the playbook, get used to being a professional, get your body and mind in shape, and then go hard. Jones never had that luxury, like so many 1st round fails. There's too much $$$ involved now, so teams always want their high-profile picks on the pitch.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 19:41
by RBshorty
Fair play to Jones Coming out yesterday and taking responsibility. Believe you me. It wasn’t solely on you.! Wish the guy well. Wherever he lands. And now it’s a race to the bottom. And Cam Ward come April.
GO G MEN.!
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 19:28
by Nutsin
Niners are so banged up, even Purdy now has a shoulder injury, Bosa is hurt too as is Trent Williams.
Injuries this year are unbelievable.
Better off tanking for draft picks and focus on getting healthy for next year.
Insane how many injuries we have had so far.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 19:22
by southbankbornnbred
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 18:45
Daniel Jones released, will Dak be next?
Whatever chemicals the Yanks are putting in their water in New York, it's really screwing up their American football teams, I can tell you!
Jets having easily one of the most chaotic seasons of any franchise ever - and the Giants are, a little more quietly, really not that far behind.
You could combine the "best" of both teams in one side and they'd still struggle to win five games. Shambles, the pair of them!
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 18:45
by Takashi Miike
Daniel Jones released, will Dak be next?
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 17:09
by RBshorty
Cracking game last night. Under the lights. In the snow. And The Browns drop further down the draft board.
GO G MEN.!
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 14:14
by Far Cough UKunt
I pulled this from Wiki about the old Vikings coach, Bud Grant:
Grant required outdoor practice during the winter to get players used to the cold weather and did not allow heaters on the sidelines during games. As per the latter practice it goes that Grant posited that with the heaters present on the sidelines the players would gather around the source of the warmth but if the heaters were not present the players would be paying attention to the game.
That would be at the old Met stadium, not to be confused with the Metrodome which was an indoor stadium.
southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 13:42Steelers/Browns in that blizzard looked wild. Love that kind of game!
Screw all those fairy-weathered Californians and Floridians.
YES, the old black and blue division was like that.
Some mad games at Soldier Field, Green Bay, the old outdoor Vikings and Lions stadiums (pre-80s?). Absolute carnage in the snow. Love it.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 13:57
by Far Cough UKunt
southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 13:42Steelers/Browns in that blizzard looked wild. Love that kind of game!
Screw all those fairy-weathered Californians and Floridians.
YES, the old black and blue division was like that.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 13:42
by southbankbornnbred
Steelers/Browns in that blizzard looked wild. Love that kind of game!
Screw all those fairy-weathered Californians and Floridians.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 21 Nov 2024, 23:38
by southbankbornnbred
Yeah, it’s remarkable how - for such a physical and intense sport - NFL players and coaches generally accept the refs’ decisions/flags etc.
It’s not perfect by any means - some clashes do take place. And you do get some very dubious calls by officials (often on pass interference). But generally these 300lb lunatics respect the decisions.
Proper football, which is still the better sport, and it’s prima donnas, could learn a lot from the NFL.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 21 Nov 2024, 17:48
by Far Cough UKunt
Gaffer58 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2024, 17:42
Just a general question, when a yellow flag is throw for a foul,infringement etc, has the offending players/ coaches ever acted like a 3 year old kids, as in football, because to me it seems everybody just accepts the refs decision and gets on with it.
Generally it's accepted but Jerry Glanville the old Houston Oilers coach, used to get into the official's face at times. There's probably others as well, Mike Ditka?
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 21 Nov 2024, 17:42
by Gaffer58
Just a general question, when a yellow flag is throw for a foul,infringement etc, has the offending players/ coaches ever acted like a 3 year old kids, as in football, because to me it seems everybody just accepts the refs decision and gets on with it.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 21 Nov 2024, 15:46
by Takashi Miike
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 19 Nov 2024, 18:31
by southbankbornnbred
FWIW, Joe Douglas wasn't the worst GM around and neither was he a good GM. Bang average. We've had worse.
With the exception of the now-infamous Zach Wilson pick, he drafted reasonably well. People keep saying there is talent on the roster. Well, that was the GM's job.
But people keep saying that talent is woefully coached. And they're also saying that the skills position talent is fine - but asking where are the hard mo-fos who dominate in the trenches? And that failure is on the GM, too.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 19 Nov 2024, 18:26
by southbankbornnbred
The Jets have just fired GM Joe Douglas, btw.
There'll be nobody left in the building soon! Maybe Rodgers is next.
Maybe this is an elaborate experiment, Belgium-style, without any form of leadership?! It can't be any worse than what we had.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 19 Nov 2024, 17:48
by southbankbornnbred
The field goal fumble against Seattle is a great Romo/Dallas moment.
Don't get me wrong: while I thought he did well for an undrafted free agent, I still wanted Dallas to lose every game they played with him as QB. It's the Jerry Jones factor!
In fact, when Jones later threw that six-year $100m contract at Romo, I felt Jones' mentalism had reached its zenith. Then along came Dak Prescott.
El Scorchio" wrote: ↑19 Nov 2024, 14:38
For me he was lauded far far beyond his actual abilities purely because of the team he played for and that he almost always had a stacked offense to work with- particularly a top top O line. No way was he worth the hype. Looks like s stupid grinning shaved monkey as well. He's only got his commentating gig because of who he played for and he cannot help shilling for them every single time. It is true to say that he did a better job than a number of joke players they had in the role prior to him.
Dak Precott is exactly the same. Pretty much bang average but ridiculously talked up because he's a cowboy.
This is my fondest memory of Tony Romo.
Scorch - I’ve said this before on this very thread. That was my first ever NFL game live and I was surrounded by all the Cowboys fans I worked with that we’d flown up with, confirmed me as a Seahawk for life. Bought my, now framed, Walter Jones shirt on the way out
That, sir is a wonderful story! I love it.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 19 Nov 2024, 15:17
by Joe C
El Scorchio" wrote: ↑19 Nov 2024, 14:38
For me he was lauded far far beyond his actual abilities purely because of the team he played for and that he almost always had a stacked offense to work with- particularly a top top O line. No way was he worth the hype. Looks like s stupid grinning shaved monkey as well. He's only got his commentating gig because of who he played for and he cannot help shilling for them every single time. It is true to say that he did a better job than a number of joke players they had in the role prior to him.
Dak Precott is exactly the same. Pretty much bang average but ridiculously talked up because he's a cowboy.
This is my fondest memory of Tony Romo.
Scorch - I’ve said this before on this very thread. That was my first ever NFL game live and I was surrounded by all the Cowboys fans I worked with that we’d flown up with, confirmed me as a Seahawk for life. Bought my, now framed, Walter Jones shirt on the way out
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 19 Nov 2024, 14:38
by El Scorchio
For me he was lauded far far beyond his actual abilities purely because of the team he played for and that he almost always had a stacked offense to work with- particularly a top top O line. No way was he worth the hype. Looks like s stupid grinning shaved monkey as well. He's only got his commentating gig because of who he played for and he cannot help shilling for them every single time. It is true to say that he did a better job than a number of joke players they had in the role prior to him.
Dak Precott is exactly the same. Pretty much bang average but ridiculously talked up because he's a cowboy.
