NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[Takashi Miike]

Zeb, that turf issue is no doubt an even a bigger contributor to bad injuries. Darryl Green who recently had his number retired with us said he wouldn't go to a team that used an artificial turf for that reason, he played 20+ seasons

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[zebthecat]

There was some talk about the same thing for rugby due to knee injuries but it has faded out of the game.
I was drilled how to do that when I was young (open side flanker) and it very satifying whrn it comes off.
Don't think NFL "turf" does anyone favours regarding knee injuries
Jameis Winston is reverting to comedy pass attempts this evening.

[Takashi Miike]

those type of tackles, for me, should be outlawed. I've seen far too many (especially Redskin) players get bad knee injuries off the back of them and never be the same again

[zebthecat]

Saw something intersting in the Ravens Broncos game.
One of the Bronco's safeties (22) has brought Derek Henry down twice with a proper rugby chop tackle. Henry went down life a felled tree both times.
Not that it matters as Henry is trampling over the rest of the Broncos D.

[Takashi Miike]

SB, the blocking (again) comes down to the lack of coaching talent on that side of the ball. the O-line coach needs to be on the same page as the OC, it's clearly the tail wagging the dog at your place. we took on a bloke with a scratchy recent history (Bobby Johnson) but he clicked immediately with Kliff Kingsbury, and we've built this high scoring offense with a rookie off running the ball. that clown GM of yours needs to let whoever the next HC is, bring in his own people, instead of trying to please one player

[southbankbornnbred]

It's 100% epitome of the Woody Johnson era. Lots of noise, lots of razzmataz and lots of whooping. All skill sets and promises of great receivers and, now, a (formerly) great QB. But if you can't do the basics right, then you won't be a good side. The Jets need to throw out everything at the end of the season and get back to learning the basics. There's real talent on that roster. But none of them do the hard, unglamorous yakka.

[southbankbornnbred]

good win but you should be running the ball more, whether the two diva receivers like it or not. lean on hall and the rookie, and it would naturally make life easier for rodgers. sadly, you have a couple of twats designing the plays

100% spot on TM.

The problem is that, as Rex Ryan said last week, we can't block for toffee. On offense (run or passing) or on defense. That set of backs should be pounding out 150 yards per game. Old skool Jets football. But they can't because their line can't block and open up the gaps - and everybody knows it.

These are the core fundamentals of American football that, Ryan aside, the Jets have not got right since before the Johnsons took over the franchise.

[Takashi Miike]

good win but you should be running the ball more, whether the two diva receivers like it or not. lean on hall and the rookie, and it would naturally make life easier for rodgers. sadly, you have a couple of twats designing the plays

[southbankbornnbred]

Amazing one-handed catch by Wilson finally gets the Jets a win.

But, my god, it was painful to watch at times. You should see Malachai Corley’s error: he’s strolling into the end zone for a TD on a fake pass, with nobody around him, and literally dropped the ball. TD got overturned to a fumble and touchback.

Good to get a win after five defeats. But the Jets always make it difficult.

[southbankbornnbred]

From 2.08 onwards: Rex's rant.

I know he's not everybody's cup of tea, but the guy knows defense and the guy knew how to coach the trenches. Watch his face when he talks about their blocking fundamentals - he's going to give himself a heart attack!

He would get them back on a sure FOOTING.

Rex would certainly sort out some of the fundamentals that the Jets have never got right since he left - such as blocking. The o-line and d-lines would both improve and we’d be able to run the ball because the line would create the space.

But his offense was poor at using and developing QBs, WRs and TEs. He’s almost the opposite of the current lot: great on the trenches and poor on the skills positions. That’s why he went 4-12 in his final season.

Plus he hasn’t coached anywhere for 8 years.

I’d have him as a DC. He’s a brilliant defensive mind. Nobody wanted to face his defenses. Although he was massively boosted by the outstanding Revis.

[southbankbornnbred]

Haha! Hard to say!

[El Scorchio]

From 2.08 onwards: Rex's rant.

I know he's not everybody's cup of tea, but the guy knows defense and the guy knew how to coach the trenches. Watch his face when he talks about their blocking fundamentals - he's going to give himself a heart attack!

He would get them back on a sure FOOTING.

[Lee Trundle]

What the hell is going on with Fletcher Cox?

[southbankbornnbred]

From 2.08 onwards: Rex's rant.

I know he's not everybody's cup of tea, but the guy knows defense and the guy knew how to coach the trenches. Watch his face when he talks about their blocking fundamentals - he's going to give himself a heart attack!

[southbankbornnbred]

I'm banging on now, but if you listen to Rex Ryan's rant about Sunday he makes some really interesting points about how badly the Jets do even the most basic and fundamental things in football, like blocking on both lines.

This lunacy about Ryan returning as HC aside (he's way past it, and was as bad on offense as Saleh: his final season was 4-12) he is a guy who knew how to coach the trenches - where every game is won or lost.

If you can't get something as basic as blocking right as an NFL organisation, then you will never win many games. It's amateurism.

[southbankbornnbred]

Haha!

TM - I'm generally not one for 'rantcasts' - especially when it comes to the NFL, because 'Merica just seems so full of mad fuckers who think shouting at the top of their voice is the only way to make a point.

That said, I have to agree with Mike Francesca on this one! Made so many correct points about what has gone wrong for 25 years since the baby oil takeover. I'm glad he pointed out the "delay of game" farce on Sunday - that one incident exemplified how utterly amateurish the entire organisation is. That was their chance to draw level in a top-level NFL game, and they let the clock run out because nobody was paying attention and nobody knew what to do. Children playing a man's sport.

That point he made about how it was right to fire Saleh because he was a poor head coach (and, as he said, a very good DC), but then exacerbating the problem by not going outside the organisation to appoint even an interim HC...spot on. That's the Jets in a nutshell. They compound bad appointments by making the situation even worse long after everybody has identified a problem. And Saleh's poor coaching as HC was "just" one big problem, btw. There are so many. It wasn't all on him - as you can see since he left.

It all starts and ends with the owners and the hopeless, hapless culture of ignorance and incompetence they have created. They are effectively an amateur team on the football side, trying to compete in a highly professional and unforgiving league.

[southbankbornnbred]

The Jets are so bad that there is talk of Rex Ryan returning as head coach.

I liked Rex. Like his dad, the guy was a defensive guru and he took us to the play-offs twice: the last coach to do so. But that was 14 years ago!

It would be insane to bring him back. He was clueless on offense when he left New York 10 years ago. The game has moved on, too: imagine how bad he’d be now? He hasn’t coached at all for eight years.

It would be madness. Where’s the bookies..?

[claret on my shirt]

Gardner Minshew is a fool, he's a walking turnover. Getsy is just a cսnt. End of statement.

[Takashi Miike]

[Far Cough UKunt]

"They can’t coach, develop, scout, draft, or compete."

That could be aimed at West Ham.*

Apart from the draft bit*

[Takashi Miike]

[Takashi Miike]

OTB, yes it was a great finish but as I said in that earlier post, I feared we'd let them back in the game and that goal line stop was crucial. I didn't think the youngster was at his best all night, but to launch a 60+ yard ball like that at the death was impressive. That bears defence is very good, but I thought the referees kept it close

[southbankbornnbred]

Anybody looking for indicators of how bad things are at the Jets, need look no further than the delay of game penalty against them when they needed a two-point conversion to tie up the game on Sunday.

That sort of thing has happened time and time again - including under Saleh, for those who backed him - and always when the team needed a clean approach.

They routinely fail to get plays off in time, every week, which is indicative of the chaos and confusion behind the scenes. They didn’t force a single turnover on Sunday.

The Jets are so amateur in approach, and have been under every coaching team for almost 25 years (Rex Ryan aside, incredibly). It is an institutionalised failure that cascades down from the top.

They can’t coach, develop, scout, draft, or compete. And for the first time, I’ve seen it suggested that the parity-obsessed NFL might have to intervene with the owners/GM to force them to become more competitive. 14 years and counting now.

[On The Ball]

Hope you stayed up for that, Miike! What an end!

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

The Patriots beat the Jets !
Well fuck my old burgundy boots 
even my ACCA came in today, so a hat -trick of victories for Moi.