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"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

WIlson TD: 23 Int: 25 Rtg: 73.2 Porous O line or not those stats are pretty grim.

"no argument with moving him on, the t-shirt shit couldn't be cringier or distateful. shows how poor the leadership is from the HC position to allow such behaviour"

"I suspect the rest of the squad went too far too quickly. He was an inexperienced rookie, after all. But he made bad decisions when he got to New York, got off on the wrong foot and never recovered the confidence of people at the club. Hence, cut him loose. As always, the Jets made mistakes in handling it."

"It all went to his head, TM, and reportedly he didn't work hard enough to improve despite everything that experienced pros were telling him. The situation was made worse by the fact that he was stand-offish. Whereas his back-up was properly ""in""ù the squad and got on with everybody. It's a team game. Added to that, there was all that stuff off the pitch about Wilson's sex life. His team-mates found him to be a distraction who wasn't one of them and wasn't focused on the battle. And that was his rookie season. I don't know the full details. But my guess is that if you've got a dozen or more of your own team/mates digging you out""¶then you probably are doing something wrong. Hence, the legend of ""Mike Fucking White""ù was born!"

"over confident or not, that sounds like a terrible locker room digging out a young player like that"

"Wilson has some talent, btw. He needs to grow up a bit - there's still time - and he must knuckle down and work a lot harder. He needed a new start away from New York after alienating too many teammates. Like so many high-pick QBs, he should never have started from Day 1. Needed to learn on the sidelines for a couple of years and grow mentally with it. Instead, he was straight into the line-up and limelight."

"Blimey - the Jets found somebody to take Zach Wilson off us in return for a draft pick. Admittedly, it's a Rnd 6 pick from Denver. I thought we ""might""ù get a 5th rounder for him. With Rodgers coming back, Wilson was never going to sit on our bench for another season - and he went drastically backwards last year. Another QB bust in Gotham, despite some initial talent. It's almost as though the franchise doesn't know how to choose and develop QBs. Wilson did not help himself, though. An over-confident snowflake who never grew up in New York, and who alienated his own team-mates to the point where they wore t-shirts with the name of Wilson's back-up on them!"

a fella who's a regular guest on a youtube channel I watch said today that your centre connor mcgovern may resign (think he was injured last season). he's based in colorado and knows him from his denver days also saw this earlier...... https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/jets-on-hand-to-watch-uconn-ol-christian-haynes-at-pro-day/ar-BB1kj7IH

"That all sounds extremely sensible to me, TM. Which is why it probably won't happen. When were the Jets ever sensible?!"

"if that's what they've decided, I think an interior lineman at ten is too early. there's a few elite tackles but its hard benching one for a year. I think you'd be better off trading with seattle (who like penix jr) and getting an extra couple of picks and taking fautanu (g) or barton (c) at 16."

"There's always a lot of noise and puffwaffle around these issues ahead of any draft, but it ""sounds"" like Joe Douglas (the GM) may have finally seized the ground and won the discussion over the Jets' first-round pick. Woody wanted a top-level receiver. Saleh wanted a pass rusher/DL. Rodgers wanted a top-level receiver. Douglas wanted an OL or to trade for picks. Saleh got his defensive talent, but in free agency - when the Jets moved for Reddick from Philly. So that shut him up. Woody and Rodgers were told the best WRs would probably have gone by the #10 pick - and were reminded that we already have Garrett Wilson, Lazard and Mike Williams. So Douglas held firm and it looks like we'll take a high-end lineman, or trade out to a team seeking a QB or WR. I hope this turns out to be the case. Douglas is the calm head in that meeting room. He wants to build teams and not overspend (Saleh used to feel the same way, but presumably is panicking because he needs a winning season or he's out). Gut feeling: Jets will see if a high-class lineman (maybe a guard or centre) is available at #10 - or will trade to a QB hungry side and slide down into the #20s and pick up a Rnd 2 and other picks with it. But let's see: Woody might still pull rank."

"RB - haha! So true! Even though I love them dearly, I am acutely aware that the Jets are a regular shitshow. But nobody gets close to the Godzilla-like enormity of the Cowgirls' insanity! Jerry Jones is the lunatic Woody wants to be."

"South. There's a very good reason why everybody loves Jerry Jones and ""Them Cowboys.!"""

"RB - I totally agree. But the problem is that the owner personally recruited Rodgers, who missed last season and has one guaranteed year left on his mega-contract. The owner is in ""win now"" mindset. But, with the exception of two seasons under Rex Ryan, Woody has never overseen a franchise that can ""win now"" and doesn't know what it looks like. So, most likely, it will be another shitshow!"

A couple of weeks out from the Draft it always starts to go mental. The media crank up the hype too 11. Every fan with a social media site. Start's banging out rumours like Radio Hanoi. And of course. Owners and coaches want their five minutes of BS. You hope.When the time to pick arrives. The GM is the last person around with their sanity still in place.! Even with a good draft. It will take a very good season for the Jets to leapfrog the Bills in the AFC East. And that ain't counting the Fin's . Who could finally click.? The sensible thing to do would be ignore the noise. And build for the future.

"Personally, I'd play it coy with the #10 pick. If they can't agree on an obvious choice when the pick comes, I'd be more than prepared to trade it out and pick up a late Rnd1 and a Rnd2. There's a lot of depth at tackle and guard in this draft, and a couple of 'project' QBs further down the pecking order who you might want to look at. I'm not sure the people actually making the decisions are that shrewd, though. We'll see."

"But they could take a top-level inside guard or centre. Honestly, the o-line was diabolical and battered up last season. We signed expensive tackles before, and they turned out to be failures or looking for one big payday. Again, hard to know if that's because we have a HC with poor offensive knowledge and a poor OC, or something worse. You're right though: they will use the free agent signings to say the line is sorted. So it'll probably be Woody's weapon for Rodgers or Saleh's (probably shrewd) defensive pick. If it's a tackle/guard, they've seen sense and listened to Douglas."

"you've just signed two starting tackles, unless you're going to sit someone like Joe Alt (who I think goes earlier) for a year, it's completely against their 'win now' policy taking yet another tackle"

"Our O-line was the worst in the league last season. Horrendously bad, which didn't help Zach Wilson. We did sign a couple of linemen in free agency, but I'd probably start there in the draft. Set up a strong line: give the big heads currently in the 'skills' positions (Hall is exempt!) no excuses if they fail again next year. The line protects Rodgers. If he still has some arm strength, Rodgers wins you games. Douglas is right - and the most level-headed person in the back office."

"TM/RB, Without boring you all too much(!), it's a tricky early draft for the Jets - and one complicated by the dysfunctional relationships and broken professionalism at the heart of the franchise. Woody Johnson (owner): wants a headline offensive weapon around Rodgers. Rob Saleh (HC): is most likely unsure of which offensive players genuinely constitute a top-ten pick and will instinctively reach for a defensive player (which he knows well). Joe Douglas (GM): Probably wants an offensive tackle but seems to have been sidelined. In all truth, however, there are really only two picks with #10 that make sense. Douglas is right: we need a nailed on, seven-year starter on the offensive line (OT or Guard) - somebody the QB can trust to block and running backs can trust to open space. The other sensible option is the one nobody wants to talk about: drafting the long-term QB likely to replace Rodgers if he leaves in December when his contract expires and he's 41 years-old. We did that, for example, when we drafted Pennington in the first round despite having Testaverde (who was good for us) as starter at the time. But nobody - not the owner, HC, GM or OC - is talking about the long-term plan. That has gone out of the window. So the head says OT or QB. But it'll be interesting to see what the lunatics running the asylum do..."

Thomas at 10 is a reach. (But it ain't as if the Jets have ever done that before.?) Bowers is the no brainier. So no doubt he will end up elsewhere.

"they signed two starting tackles in free agency, I think it will be Thomas or Brock Bowers"

Harrison and Odenze are going to be long gone before the Jets get choosy. The top 4 QB's and the top 3 WR's all gone by Atlanta at 8. OT for the Jets.

"SB, what position are they thinking about? you've just signed Williams who had just left the Chargers, which is a bit strange as there's three really good bigger body receivers in this draft (Harrison/Odunze/Thomas Jr). I'm sure one of them would have been there when you picked. you also still have Lazard"

"TM - the row between the owners and Saleh is most likely because Saleh wants himself (and probably Joe Douglas, who the HC gets on with) to decide draft picks. Woody, having gone on a personal mission as owner to land Rodgers, wants to put offensive weapons around the QB. But when assessing draft picks, Saleh will inevitably have stronger views about defensive players. The row seems to have come to a head over how the two men - Saleh and Woody Johnson - think we should use the #10 pick. It's like a smaller, shittier and far less important (within the NFL) version of the fall-out between Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson!"