Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Westside]

"Ok but all I said was that it is not definite. You also said ""I checked the WH Holding filings and there is apparently no options listed as being officially filed. Now I have no experience of Put and Call Options but who is saying there is one? I haven't found one on a Google search. A knowledgeable poster explained what these options are and everyone assumed it was this however, it might not be a put and call option"" Which turned out not to be correct."

[stewie griffin]

"You had a mare living in France, I know that much"

[Willtell]

I keep seeing that I'm having a mare. Ok but all I said was that it is not definite and wishful thinking that Kretinski buys Sullivan out then sacks Moyes. How is saying it's wishful thinking that will happen having a mare? Has it become official yet then?

[muskie]

"This thread has morphed into a take over one, can we have a seperate thread please."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"goose 11:56 Fri Mar 3 'like i said yesterday Surface, i'm not following you down your rabbit hole of pedantry.' You posted something 100% untrue. You've been all over this thread so you must know it not to be true. It's not pedantry to call you on that but if it helps you think better of yourself fine. I'm sure your cunning ruse will ensure other readers of the thread won't think you are a liar and a fool."

[Westside]

"Westside - two questions mate, one factual and one your opinion 1/ It's stated that DS has issued the option, now does that apply to his holding or all holdings? Can he dictate that other holders comply with the option based upon being the current majority holder? By extension, can the other holders exercise that option unilaterally? Meaning, if he pushes the button, are the others compelled to do so and moreover, if the Golds want out, can they effectively hand the club to Kretinsky irrespective of DS's stance? I haven't seen the put and call agreement so don't actually know the answer. However, the Guardian article posted by Goose, refers to the same price to be offered to other shareholders and the put and call agreement instigated by Kretinsky. Having not seen the documentation, nobody actually knows the position, re unilateral exercising of options etc. Absolutely nothing to stop the Gold family selling direct to Kretinsky, certainly after the option period is up and probably before (not certain on the before). 2/ What in your opinion only, motivates Kretinsky? Running the club, as other billionaires do - ego or an investment, what with the stadium, land potential etc and subsequent re-sale value. Is he buying in as an investment to sell at a future profit? Not sure there's much growth potential for an investment in West Ham. Our income will increase in line with whatever is negotiated in the TV rights deal (if we stay in the Premier League) Regular Champions League football would increase our value, but that isn't very likely. We don't own the ground/land, so no potential there to flip that. Is he buying as loyal fan, who loves the club? Like Jack Walker at Blackburn? Don't think so. Buying in as a hobby (as you say ego), for the kudos so he has some skin in the game? Possibly. I suspect it is a combination of this and hoping to make a small return (not make losses)."

[LJC]

"LJC Sorry to quote one of your wishful thinking posts but decent of you to own up to it. What are you going on about. Yeah I'm joining the others, completely pointless debate where he is making things up and changing the argument. It's quite clear that he is absolutely clueless but won't admit it. I'm out."

[Crassus]

"Willtell You have posted a few down to me, and provided quotes Problem being, I never posted that - it is disingenuous to your 'argument' and in short, a fucking liberty But I'll quote you ' Put & Call option. I'm not familiar with this type of thing' And that is about as far as it goes for you stating anything correctly I reiterate, read Westside closely, think about it and go from there - you are frankly clueless and ignore those who are not - hence making a screaming arse of yourself"

[goose]

"like i said yesterday Surface, i'm not following you down your rabbit hole of pedantry. the fact that the option exists is the point. and that's the last thing i'll post on this subject because its gone past silly."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

goose 10:56 Fri Mar 3 'You've been provided with factual evidence that the price/timeframe of a sale are laid out for everyone to read.' Really? What is the price and what is the time-frame. Willtell is having a mare on this thread. Somehow you have contrived to be just as bad as him.

[Side of Ham]

"Option = not wishful thinking, a real possibility."

[goose]

"as had been pointed out to you many time, nobody is saying it will absolutely happen. but the simple fact that the option is in place tells anyone with half a brain that the sale is/has been discussed. which makes it more than 'wishful thinking'. you keep on making yourself look a plonker all you want. as stated below you just cant admit when you're wrong - similar to your disgusting posts about rape which you still stand by."

[stewie griffin]

"the worst thing about this thread now is that everyone has got just enough right - even the Frenchman - that when it all shakes out, we'll have more pages of arguments with no one admitting they were wrong. Can we get back to how fucking useless Moyes is please?"

[Willtell]

"goose Agreed is used in terms of an option. You do know what an option is don't you? This is the most relevant part of that story from 2021 ""...if Sullivan or Kretinsky take up their option."""

[goose]

"From the Guardian - (Will note the use of the word 'agreed') Daniel Kretinsky has agreed an option for a full takeover of West Ham as part of his purchase of a 27% stake in the club. The Czech billionaire became West Ham's second-largest shareholder last month and documents submitted to Companies House this week show an option is in place for him to acquire the shares owned by David Sullivan and David Gold for a set price. The papers reveal that there was a put and call agreement between Sullivan, 1890 holdings a.s, the holding company used by Kretinsky to buy his shares, and EP Investment Sarl, Kretinsky's investment company. It will give Sullivan, West Ham's biggest shareholder, the right to sell his shares to Kretinsky at a set price. Kretinsky will have the option to buy Sullivan's shares. The price is set in writing and cannot change if Sullivan or Kretinsky take up their option. The figure will not rise if West Ham qualify for the Champions League this season and the documents also show that other shareholders can be included in the deal under the same terms."

[Willtell]

"LJC Sorry to quote one of your wishful thinking posts but decent of you to own up to it. Has the Post Office been separated from Royal Mail now? I hadn't heard. ""On 25 August 2022, Royal Mail in the United Kingdom was notified by the British government that Křetínský's Vesa Equity Investment Sarl, the then single largest investor of Royal Mail, had plans to increase its shareholding to more than 25%.."""

[LJC]

"Are you still going and still making yourself look a div. I think you need to check your facts about the post office for a start. And as for ""Think about the user name I adopted for a minute. I tell it like it is and I know it.""ù - you absolute cringe merchant! If that is really why you chose your name and you think that is what you do, then you are the most deluded person on this forum."

[Willtell]

"OK I have taken a quick look at the Put & Call option. I'm not familiar with this type of thing but I am pretty sure it is not an agreement for DS to sell as has been claimed. It is an option for DS to sell his shares provided the main other shareholders get the same offer. It is an option which expires at a future date that doesn't seem to be specified. Family trust fund share transfers are not included in the option. This obviously provided for DG's death and allows his shares to go to his family or trust funds. I always read this as being what it appears to be which is a protection for Kretinsky investing his millions. If he wants to take over WHU he can at the agreed price but it is not an obligation as far as I can tell. Kretinsky is a serial minority share investor in all sorts of companies including the Post Office. He doesn't often take over as a controlling director.I believe. His method is to leave capable directors in control while making his investments long term. I think it will eventually happen because DS is getting on a bit. I reckon there's a good chance that the Noble appointment was a succession plan for when DS pegs it or wants to retire. Unfortunately, his type of billionaire tends to carry on far too long but perhaps I'm wrong about that. Perhaps it will happen this summer and I certainly hope so but I'll still be WHU come what may..."

[Side of Ham]

"Willwall tell us all again how it is with you over drunk women and what they deserve""¶."

[goose]

Nice try to change the narrative Will - but the last three or four pages have been about the ownership of the club. You've been provided with factual evidence that the price/timeframe of a sale are laid out for everyone to read. You said its wishful thinking to think Sullivan will sell - the above completely destroys that argument. It's obvious to all how wrong you are and you still squirm and argue like the rotten old maggot you are.

[Willtell]

"Crassus You're a very poor judge. Think about the user name I adopted for a minute. I tell it like it is and I know it. The fact that you admit to having been a wishful thinker says you are no judge of anything mate! ""We'll likely have new owners next season and I doubt they'd want a yesterdays man in charge..."" ""nothing changes til we get new owners."" ""It all comes down to new ownership. If we get Kretinsky or somebody else then we need an inspirational manager who matches our new potential.."" ""Do you not think we're likely to get new owners by/in the summer? You think they'll want him around?"" ""Hasn't Kretinsky been through about 15 managers at Prague. If he takes over next month then I don't think Moyes is safe."" Willtell ""Expecting Sullivan will sell and Kretinsky will buy then sack Moyes is just wishful thinking""¶"" Then silly cunts take exception to the truth and accuse me of all sorts because it shatters their dreams even though I have repeatedly said I hope Sullivan and Moyes do go..."

[Side of Ham]

"Here's an actual bit of wishful thinking""¶.Willwall listens to what posters are saying to him and he shows some character""¶.and he gives up his cunty persona on here""¶.."

[Willtell]

You mean you think it's wishful thinking for anyone to say Moyes will not be here next season?

[Manuel]

"At this point it's very difficult to predict if Moyes will still be here next season, let's be honest anyone calling it now is just guessing. There are too many variables at play to make a firm call, the two obvious ones are will Sullivan sill be here, and how we finish the season. Even then if Sullivan is still here and say we go out of Europe and finish 16th would Sullivan sack him with one year left? And if we go down Sullivan might think he's the best man to get us up again. So very hard to say."

[Crassus]

"Willtell You have an uncanny knack of inadvertently making an arse of yourself, wind your neck in a little and you may just learn something Few have actually said that Moyes will be gone in the summer, I have, on the balance of probability - there has been however, much debate around what should happen Further, I have not seen anyone say that DS and co will be definitely off in the summer either, the structure exists as a matter of fact, it's probability given the lack of critical facts remains unknown My advice is that you read Westside's posts on the matter and digest, rather than skate around chasing half baked insult opportunities"