NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[El Scorchio]

"Yeah, you cant compare modern era QBs to older ones through stats. It's like playing catch for receivers now thanks to the rules which offer them and the passer so much protection, compared to 10 or 20 years ago. Also add the fact that playing conditions are much better now- you see footage of the likes of Unitas playing in mudbaths and now most of them are playing on pristine or fake turf."

[El Scorchio]

"Miike- in all seriousness I agree he was a quality player, whichever team you follow :) Technically a full back, but I'm adding Larry Csonka to the list too, if we're talking the best white runners."

[Takashi Miike]

"crystal, I always look at Stafford like a poor man's Elway. similar gun slinging style but lacks Elway's athleticism and bottle"

[crystal falace]

"Cam will probably end up breaking all of people like moon's records but you have to take into consideration the era and how much easier it is to pass the ball now and how much more teams pass, Just have to look at someone like matt stafford who will probably end up in the top 10 in most passing categories"

[Takashi Miike]

"haha, I am biased but watch footage of him and how quick he was combined with his height. I know you had other great power backs like bettis but he was more of a fat cսnt who was hard to tackle :.)"

[El Scorchio]

Takashi Miike 2:28 and cos you're a skins fan ;) That 4th and 1 is a quality bit of footage though.

[Far Cough]

Can't think of any decent white RBs?

[Takashi Miike]

"The Diesel was the second best power back of all-time, Brown the best. the reason for ranking Riggo so highly is because of his speed combined with his ability to hurt defenders"

[Far Cough]

Who WAS the best white running back? Can only think of Johnny Riggins

[The Stoat]

What's this got to do with WEST HAM?

[Grumpster]

"Where it all gets silly anyway, as who gives a shit what colour someone is? What they basically mean is he has to be classed the best 'black' QB of all time as he wouldn't be mentioned on a single list otherwise, as all of the greats are honky's and he's nowhere near any of them. What next, the greatest white RB? Precious brigade (not you lot obviously) crack me up, as a white bloke I'll happily admit that black fellas are bloody awesome running backs and it seems my brethren are not. P Diddy is clearly a racist cock who knows nothing about football."

[ironsofcanada]

"Hermit Road 12:41 Tue Dec 19 ""Not only that, but he rushed for over 700 in his biggest passing year so that 4051 becomes 4759."" Come on man, that's not really how they tend to count things but if you want Moon had 4689 yards passing plus 215 yards rushing one year giving him at total of 4,904. Again the point is Cam is very good and probably will be a HOFer but to this point at least, he has edged ahead of Moon in some areas but not others, not blown his stats up. Wouldn't you say?"

[crystal falace]

"Woodford Ive seen alot of people say that but by the rules the goalline only ends the play once you have established yourself in control and as a runner, to do that you have to complete the catch to the ground, Its a very convoluded rule but it was enforced correctly, what the steelers did on the 2 plays after that was just awful"

[Hermit Road]

It does make him look good a lot though.

[El Scorchio]

Cam Newton only puts his body on the line when it makes Cam Newton look good. You only need to see the video of him bottling out of fighting for a loose football in the super bowl a few years ago to see what he's really made of.

[Hermit Road]

"""4 times over 3000 yards compared Newton's 1 (he threw for over 5000 his last 2 years in Edmonton, not that that counts) His biggest year was bigger than Cams. 4,690 - 4,051. 6 times over 20 TDs compared to Newton's 4.""ù Newton has played for 6 years to Moon's 16, so even on those selective stats Cam is ahead. Cam has already scored more TDs in a season, 35 to Moon's 33, but he also rushed for 10 TDs in the same year. Not only that, but he rushed for over 700 in his biggest passing year so that 4051 becomes 4759."

[claret on my shirt]

"Can you see the NFL owners allowing this to happen, no. so end of story."

[Woodford Green]

"crystal falace 1:34 Mon Dec 18 Re: 2016 NFL Season I'd certainly go with Vick. Gutted RG3 never fulfilled his promise. The Heisman trophy winner last year looks the bollocks though (i forget his name) Re your point about the disallowed TD last night, surely the fact the ball had already crossed the TD line under control means that anything that happened thereafter is irrelevant."

[ironsofcanada]

"Hermit Road 8:29 Mon Dec 18 Cam Newton will be a Hall of Famer if he can keep on this pace but to say he has blown up Warren Moon stats ? 4 times over 3000 yards compared Newton's 1 (he threw for over 5000 his last 2 years in Edmonton, not that that counts) His biggest year was bigger than Cams. 4,690 - 4,051. 6 times over 20 TDs compared to Newton's 4. (And Newton has actually been healthier than Moon on a year to year basis. Look at games played.) Newton can certainly be better but not sure he has surpassed let alone blown up some of those Hall of Famers yet."

[Takashi Miike]

"until he achieves four touchdowns in a single Superbowl Quarter he'll not be fit to lace Doug Williams boots, let alone Wilson, Moon and Cunningham the dog fighting cսnt can fuck off and die"

[Hermit Road]

"In 6 seasons Newton has blown up the stats of those others mentioned except games played. It's always tempting to look back with rose-tinted glasses and downgrade current stars but Newton has been a force of nature during his short time in the NFL. And I don't even like him. It's true though that the way he puts his body on the line, he may not come near the longevity of the others, but he's already done things that they didn't. Either way, for Diddy to talk about replacing him with Kaepernick is ridiculous."

[ironsofcanada]

"the coming of gary 6:26 Mon Dec 18 Got to see him get his pro start in our version of football, to which he was very well suited as it has fewer downs and is therefore almost all passing. Won five Grey Cups in a row with him first as backup and then as starter for final two. Shame to hear about the allegations."

[El Scorchio]

"I hope Diddy does buy them. If his plan revolves around doing things like signing Kaepernick as opposed to doing what will actually enable them to win anything, then good. They'll be one less team to worry about each season. I'd be delighted by this news if I supported another NFCS team."

[Far Cough]

"Gary, I loved Jerry Glanville, always left a ticket for Elvis at the will call window"

[the coming of gary]

seeing Warren Moon live is what got me into NFL