NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[Grumpster]

"Talking of scrambling, I know he hasn't been around for that long, but I saw a stat the other day that Goff had only scrambled for 188 yards in total in his career to date. Seems bloody low considering most of the young QB's nowadays are all over scrambling and running. That cսnt Kaepernick once done more yards than that in 1 game!"

[Far Cough]

Elway was a great scrambling QB but not as good as Fran Tarkenton for scrambling :-)

[southbankbornnbred]

"Elway, for me, is the GOAT QB. Best I've ever seen under pressure and mostly while he was playing in poor-to-average sides. Put him in his prime, under Belichick, for the Patsies and they win the bloody thing even more regularly than under Brady. In my view. But he has made a shocking number of QB selections in his current role. Lynch was a disaster."

[Takashi Miike]

"true, the best QB I've seen (and my favourite), but a shocking evaluator of talent"

[crystal falace]

"Elway was very lucky that the texans outbid him for Osweiler, he may well have been out of a job already if he'd have been able to give big Brock the contract. He's actually had a shocking record at picking a QB since Manning retired which is odd when you think of what a talent he was. He burned a 1st round pick on Paxton Lynch and has used a high 2nd rounder on Drew Lock this year who is apparently nowhere close to being ready."

[Grumpster]

"Osweiler has made more money per start than Brees, Brady and Ryan :o)"

[Takashi Miike]

"I don't blame him, it's the cunts running these franchises that need investigating/questioning"

[southbankbornnbred]

Good point.

[crystal falace]

Broncos defence carried peyton to his 2nd superbowl BTW. Managed to get him tied with his little brother

[southbankbornnbred]

"I'm a Remoaner. But if you want to get Brexit over the line, bring in some NFL agents to negotiate for the UK. They'll have a deal within hours - we'll probably end up with Greece thrown in for good measure and a bit of summer sun. Tough ass negotiators and then some."

[southbankbornnbred]

"There was a year in his career when Matt Flynn made $11m - and was paid every penny of it, guaranteed - without making a single start in the NFL."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Osweiler is a big example of it, but he wasn't the only QB to get a tankload of cash thrown at him after just a couple of decent performances. Anybody remember Flynn at Green Bay? Made a record-breaking appearance, against the Lions, in the absence of Rodgers - and became the hottest property in free agency the following season. The Seahawks threw what felt like a gabillion dollars at him - and a little-known rookie QB called Russell Wilson beat him to the starter job. The rest is Hawks' history."

[Grumpster]

"Absolutely atrocious QB and has almost as many interceptions as he does TD's. Still, he's the cսnt who's laughing as he's absolutely minted and can do whatever the fuck he now wants at the grand old age of 28 without ever worrying about work again!!"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Five teams in six years of NFL football tells you everything you need to know about Osweiler. Hugely over-rated. That deal he got at the Texans was daylight robbery. Don't blame him, or his agent, one bit, though. They got what the desperate Texans were prepared to pay. The guy made his name - and $40m - off of a few half-decent starts as back up for a team that was strong enough to win a third Superbowl for a declining Peyton Manning. Only made the practice squad in Cleveland. Enough said. His agent should have been put in charge of Britain's Brexit negotiations with the EU!"

[crystal falace]

"He had one half decent run when supported by that Broncos defence that carried the corpse of Peyton Manning to a super bowl. Was enough to convince both the Broncos and texans that he was a franchise QB so a bidding war began meaning he ended up with a ridiculous contract. think him being 6""8 fooled alot of people into thinking he was a good choice."

[Takashi Miike]

"another QB with a magician agent, either that or most gms are incompetent or getting kickbacks from these ridiculous deals"

[zebthecat]

Re the OP. Brock Osweiler has announced his retirement. By no means a great QB but he did get a Superbowl ring and 40-ish million in the bank. At the same time Nathan Peterman still has a job.

[crystal falace]

If a player wants to hold out because he wants a better contract that's up to him and i dont really have a problem with that as it can go both for and against him (Lev bell vs Melvin Gordon) But players like Antonio Brown & Ramsey who just make themselves a cancer to the locker room and fabricate reasons why they cant play while causing issues with the media in order to try and force a move shouldn't be rewarded for their actions.

[Hermit Road]

"I agree to an extent although I think there's a difference between players like a RB who downs tools and takes the hit in wages that comes with it, and a CB who tiptoes along the contractual line so that they don't play and yet still get paid. the NFL has those contracts massively weighted in their favour so I've got no problem with a RB preserving his body while on a rookie contract, so that he's in a position to earn a decent second contract. Don't forget that the teams aren't shy about cutting players whenever it suits them."

[crystal falace]

I dont like this current trend of players forcing their way out of places just going to make it even harder for the lesser teams to try and build something if one of the few stars that they have decides they're just going to down tools and refuse to play in order to secure a deal to a more fashionable team.

[Nutsin]

"Rams making desperate moves after the beat down, Giving up two first rounders is a lot, especially when their biggest problem is on offense. They need a QB and better O Line play if they want to compete with the Niners."

[ironsofcanada]

"Marshon struggled a bit at the beginning of both of his two seasons beyond his rookie one but it was shorter this year. The Saints play the run so much, they leave him on an island against the best receiver, lately he has won that battle."

[crystal falace]

"Ramsey is certainly billed as the best corner in football but i think a lot of that has to do with how loud and outspoken he is, yes he is obviously very good and is in the top tier of CBs but id take Gilmore and Lattimore of the saints over him for certain if only because they seem to be far better team mates. Gilmore was the highest rated cornerback int he league last year as the Patriots won the superbowl and has been completely shutdown so far this season in his coverage"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Yep, spot on. They are 100% committed to Ramsey when his contract is up at the end of the season because of what they've spent in terms of draft picks. It's a huge risk. He's going to want the Earth for his services and they are going to have to give it to him. I'm guessing he has signed something which ties him into some sort of commitment - hence the franchise was happy to spend so much. He's a very good corner. But is he the best? He's certainly going to become the highest paid. These gold-plated deals are potentially crippling for any franchise - but the Rams are tied into a few of them now. The Jets have just one that they have hugely over-spent on: Le'veon Bell. He's a fine running back, but we've spent far too much to land him. And it won't make a blind bit of difference just yet because the O-line is so poor that he's struggling to find yardage."

[crystal falace]

"The Ram's have a pretty young roster but have given out alot of big contracts to their stars which will start to cripple them in the years to come especially the ridiculous contract they gave Goff! Ramsey is in the last year of his Rookie deal so he's relatively cheap for this season but he'll demand to be the highest paid corner in the league fairly soon and he's essentially got the Rams over a barrel as he can hit free agency next year and they're not going to let a guy they spent 2 first round picks on leave. Rams are a very top heavy team with some legitimate stars but doesnt seem like they have any depth at all, which is understandable as such a huge portion of their salary cap is probably going to a very small number of the roster"