NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[southbankbornnbred]

"I love the way that Sherman interview ends with the reporter... ""Well...and, Joe, back over to you..."" She just left Sherman's words hanging, as he had the final word in the game. Actually a decent ""leave"" by the reporter. There was nothing else that needed to be said at that point, so she didn't say anything else. Fair play to her."

[crystal falace]

"I didnt even scroll down that far, there are some real players (edge of hall of fame) even in the mid to late rounds, sherman & jason kelce etc"

[ironsofcanada]

crystal falace 5:00 Thu Oct 17 Going through there and seeing Richard Sherman His interview about Crabtree with that female reporter is still a great watch.

[crystal falace]

Some terrible QB picks early in that draft though barring Newton

[crystal falace]

"check out the 2011 draft, even scrolling down to some of the later picks there were some players who have had very decent careers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_Draft"

[ironsofcanada]

"southbankbornnbred 4:53 Thu Oct 17 Yeah, his point was that was where New England's luck turned for the first time and the rest is a history still being written. Hard to remember when they weren't good."

[ironsofcanada]

"Far Cough 4:51 Thu Oct 17 Yes sorry, mate Should be Takashi Miike 4:29 Thu Oct 17"

[Far Cough]

"Crystal, my post below was taken from Pro Football.com in 2005 so the 2011 draft hadn't happened yet"

[southbankbornnbred]

"And that ""tuck"" play was a fucking fumble. ;-)"

[crystal falace]

My Dad always tells me that Marion is the best of all time but he hasnt really followed the sport for years. Hard to argue that he may well be up there with the most talented but not sure he can be in the discussion having never won a superbowl

[Far Cough]

I think you're replying to Takashi Mike?

[southbankbornnbred]

"Cough - does make you wonder what the hell the Yanks were putting in the water in 1983! TM - totally agree: for me, Elway tops the lot of them. Irons - respect your view, mate. Things like GOAT are all about opinions. My brother, for his part, will not have a word said against Dan Marino and claims he did it all ""one one good knee""! He's got a bit of a point: Marino entered the NFL with a structural knee problem. But lazer-like accuracy."

[Grumpster]

"I always preferred Steve Young to Montana personally. Both excellent, but Young felt like the first QB who was mustard with his legs as well and he was brilliant in the Superbowl. cսnt got 43 TD's, which wasn't bad in an era where it was still legal to kick the fuck out of them."

[ironsofcanada]

"FC I said top ten maybe top 5 because I did not have a list in mind but I would put Montana ahead of him, yes. Brady, Brees, Marino and Manning probably I can't really comment on people like Unitas, Staubach, Otto Graham who I have seen on lists higher than him. The AFC was pretty garbage in the late 80s early 90s, as evidence by the fact that first Bronco Super Bowl was the first in well over ten years for them. So Montana was facing better teams more regularly and getting to the Super Bowl was a bigger accomplishment. In my opinion. I was watching a think from the 100 years and Mark Wahlberg was discussing about how New England had won nothing (Boston thought they were cursed) until the tuck play."

[Far Cough]

My 5 top QBs are: Dan the man Marino John the Scrambler Elway Tom Brady has to be up there Joe the Mouse Montana Steve Young

[crystal falace]

the 22011 draft class should go down as one of the best of all time If you go down he list in the future you could very easily see 10 plus hall of fame players in the first round a long with another load of very exceptional NFL starters

[Far Cough]

"1983 was a great draft for QBs: They say it takes at least five seasons to properly judge a draft class. Fair enough. That being the case, let's take a look at some of what the 1983 NFL Draft had produced by 1988: The single-season record holder for passing yards and touchdowns (Dan Marino ) The single-season record holder for rushing yards (Eric Dickerson ) Three quarterbacks who started in the Super Bowl (Marino, John Elway and Tony Eason; Jim Kelly would later become the fourth) Seven starters on the Bears' 1985 Super Bowl team, including three-fifths of the offensive line and Super Bowl XX MVP (Richard Dent) A two-time AFC rushing leader (Curt Warner) The 1988 leader in receiving yards (Henry Ellard) The 1984 leader in receiving touchdowns (Mark Clayton) The 1988 leader in combined scrimmage yards (Roger Craig) And that's just after five years. It's now been 20 years since the 1983 draft, and there is enough evidence in hindsight to call it perhaps the greatest draft class in NFL history. Of course, the Class of '83 will be forever known as the ""Year of the Quarterback,"" because of the six signal-callers chosen in Round 1 -- Elway, Marino, Kelly, Eason, Ken O'Brien and Todd Blackledge. But the overall talent produced in that draft -- from top to bottom -- makes the quarterback story just one chapter of a blockbuster tale."

[Takashi Miike]

"who are the nine better QBs than Elway? and don't give me Montana, who played in far superior teams and systems. you use Davis's play-off performances as a way of playing down Elway's legacy, yet he'd already reached three superbowls before Terrell arrived"

[ironsofcanada]

"crystal falace 4:16 Thu Oct 17 One decent, then 3 very good to exceptional seasons but then never played more 8 games in any after that."

[crystal falace]

Terrel Davis got a gold jacket based on winning the Broncos those 2 superbowls because he had a relatively short career overall but got into Canton based on a few years of being absolutely exceptional.

[ironsofcanada]

"southbankbornnbred 3:56 Thu Oct 17 The two Super Bowls they won were down as much to Terrell Davis as much or more than Elway. If you want to talk about carrying a team look at his numbers in those playoffs. Elway is top 10 maybe 5 but not the GOAT, for me."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Cough - two exceptional QBs, certainly. Unitas is the GOAT pick for many grizzled NFL hacks in the States. Broadway was one heck of a player for many years, too. Like Elway, he dragged poor Jets teams to victories they should never have had. Certainly the best in my time, in my view, has been Elway. He had absolutely everything. An almost perfect QB. Like the two above, of course, he also played in an era before the salary cap. In practice, that meant the Broncos were a relatively small-fry side when they went up against the big spenders of the period like Dallas, Washington and San Francisco. Those sides just signed talent with big dollars. Low-cost Denver had Elway dragging them through games. And he took them to four superbowls (two before the cap), winning two."

[Far Cough]

Oh and your very own Broadway Joe

[Far Cough]

"southbankbornnbred, I dunno, I hear Johnny Unitas was pretty handy?"

[southbankbornnbred]

"I cannot think of a single team in history that Elway would not improve. That's why I've got him down as The Goat. Absolutely incredible ability under pressure to make the right call, make the right decision after the snap and make the right throws - in traffic and with chaos unfolding in front of him. He dragged the Broncos to their first two superbowls (in the 80s, which they lost) almost single-handedly. The Drive is still a thing of beauty. That throw he makes under pressure at 3rd and 18, having just been sacked, with almost no offensive line to speak of, and with just two minutes left in the game, is utterly unreal. 98 yards in four minutes, under constant pressure of being sacked, injured, with no great receivers, and in an AFC championship game: can think of only a few QBs in history who get their team over the line from there. He still picked Paxton Lynch and Osweiler, though. So he is human."