NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Donald is a superb player, isn't he? He must an absolute nightmare to try to block. Remember Art Monk well - great receiver. Ran tight routes and was athletic, but had amazing hands. Saw him take some outrageous catches - things he should never have caught."

[crystal falace]

"Yeah you still get some athletic freaks who can bring pressure from the inside, no better example than Aaron Donald who is the single most disruptive defender the league has seen since Peak JJ Watt of about 6 years ago"

[Takashi Miike]

"the cunts running the hall of fame are a joke. dexter manley and charles mann (five superbowls between them) are still waiting, and it took them thirteen years after his retirement to recognise art monk (hence why he got the four minute standing ovation at his induction)"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Yep, spot on with the formations. Although when the Jets defaulted to a 3-4 system (forced on them by injuries) in the early/mid 80s, Klecko lined up at Nose Tackle in the middle of the front three. He weighed ""just"" 260lbs, which was smaller than most NTs. But his strength was ridiculous and he was more agile and had better evasive skills and leverage than other NTs in the league. So we just put the two bigger guys either side of him and let him loose on the QB or running back. He shouldn't just be in the ridiculous Hall of Fame, he should be in every discussion about the top ten players in history - in any position. Pro-bowler in three positions - two of them after a bad knee injury. Then I look at some HoF entries and think ""nah"". That's why Jets fans find the HoF thing utterly laughable. I liked it when Howie Long from the Raiders gave a great speech about how Klecko was his inspiration when he was inducted into the HoF. In a way, that's more of a Klecko thing than actually being in the Hall of Fame."

[crystal falace]

"Far Cough 1:59 Mon Oct 28 Re: NFL (since 2016) Lineman are not noted for getting sacks are they, I thought that was an LBs job? Would depend what defensive system they run, if its a 4-3 then the defensive end a chandler Jones, JJ Watt sort of player comes from the edge and will get the majority of sacks. If they play a 3-4 they tend to have 3 big bodies in the middle and your outside linebackers e.g Von miller"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Klecko and Lyons would be straight back at the line of scrimmage with looks on their faces which said: ""Somebody go and get Gastineau's foot off the quarterback's neck and let's get the next one done, shall we..."""

[southbankbornnbred]

"Gastineau used to do that to gee himself up even more, though. He was, surprisingly, a good team player. He would do his little dances and make a show of it, but he generally knew to be back at the line of scrimmage to do it all again quickly. But, yes, was easily the most outlandish of the four. And the one who most wanted to start a fight! The others - Klecko, Lyons and Salaam - would just get their head down after a sack and do it all again. Relentless tackling machines."

[Far Cough]

"Yeah apart from Gastineau's showboating after a sack, wouldn't see Klecko doing that"

[southbankbornnbred]

"FC - not so sure about that. Linebackers are obviously more mobile and hit the gaps off the edge etc. But most good defensive lines would lead their team in sacks combined. The Sack Exchange was our four-man defensive line in the early 80s and they took the league for 60+ sacks in some seasons. Incredible line up that we can only dream of these days. Proper team players, too. None of this ""all about me, all about the money"" nonsense of the 21st Century mob."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Zeb - yes, spot on. We have got a slightly easier looking second half to the season. But I do wonder about the motivation for the team now that the season is already a bust. Gase has been a spectacularly disastrous experiment. I'd get rid of him this morning if I could. He's looking worse than Rich Kotite - and he was indescribably poor (won four games over two seasons!). Sack Gase and admit the failure - and then appoint Williams (current DC) as HC. See how he works out. The defence has been poor this season, but I suspect the players would rally around Williams. They like him."

[Far Cough]

"Lineman are not noted for getting sacks are they, I thought that was an LBs job?"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Yep - Defensive End, Nose Tackle and Defensive Tackle. Unbelievable. It is genuinely criminal that he is not in the Hall of Fame (not that us Jets fans care much about the HoF). But if you're going to have a HoF, then it is stupid beyond belief that Klecko is not in it. Hard, hard, hard man. He'd tackle an elephant if his coach asked him to. And he would probably have sacked it for a loss. One season, before the NFL used sacks as an official performance statistic, he made 20.5 sacks out of 60+ for the Jets' ""Sack Exchange"". I forgot that he once got 7.5 sacks in a short season playing as a Nose Tackle in a 3-4 formation. Nobody does that. You're there to stop the run in that formation - and he gets 7.5 sacks. Best Jet ever. Better, even, than Broadway and Revis Island."

[zebthecat]

southbank The Jets look to have it pretty easy (comparatively) for the rest of the season. Fins twice and the Redskins for starters. My favourite play of the weekend was the Bucs running back getting flattened behind the line of scrimmage by a Bucs wide receiver.

[Far Cough]

Didn't he make the pro bowl in 3 THREE different positions?

[ooooh Morley Morley]

I was at Wembley yesterday.... atmosphere was shit

[southbankbornnbred]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R408uWTBGE0 Klecko in a nutshell. Absolutely superb player - my favourite ever Jet.

[crystal falace]

sorry they'd be 0-14 each going into that game

[southbankbornnbred]

"It's criminal that he is not. Awesome, raging and brilliant defensive lineman. Great engine too - played most downs. Was one of the best defensive ends who had played in the league for decades, then injured his knee and lost a bit of his pace/agility. So he moved inside as defensive tackle - and quickly mastered that, too. You could have put him anywhere on the DL and he would improve any team. Superb player. Would still make the Jets team today!"

[crystal falace]

"oo im not sure about that Dolphins play the Bengals in week 16, which incredibly could very well have two 0-15 teams playing against eachother. Im sure the bengals will probably pick up a win somewhere before then (think they play the jets) but its not unrealistic to see them lose agaisnt most if not all of their schedule before then."

[Far Cough]

"southbank, I was watching a video of Joe Klecko, how the fuck is he not in the Hall of Fame?"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Watt is a huge loss, again, for the Texans. The Jets host Miami on 3rd November in what promises to be the worst game in the history of the NFL. At least Miami are purposefully tanking this season so that they can land Tua. Gase actually thinks he's trying to win with the Jets. This is going to be great. It could be the first 0-0 draw in NFL history since the merger. There was a scoreless game between the Giants and Lions in 1943. Jets/Fins is either going to be 0-0 or 55-55. Either way, it's going to be embarrassingly great."

[crystal falace]

"Looks like JJ Watt is done for the year after tearing his pec. Could be the end for them this year as the defence does not look good at all, going to be all on Watson to be a magician every game."

[crystal falace]

"Both the pats and niners gave taken advantage of fairly easy starts to the schedules but they have demolished the bad teams which is what the great teams do. Both schedules get a lot tougher in the upcoming weeks, will really see what both teams are made of, unfortunately for the niners they are in a much tougher conference whereas the pats seem to have the #1 seed all but secured already in a pretty milquetoast afc. Niners, packers and saints will all be fighting it out for seeding and the niners still habe to play both kf them, as well as the rams again the seahawks twice and the ravens"

[Nutsin]

"Niners with a 50 Burger. Given up 23 points total in last 4 games. Defense is dominating all game every game. Joe Staley our pro bowl left tackle is back for Thur nights game, Then Juice our full back and McGlinchey our RT are back for the following game against the hawks. Miner nation is back baby!"

[southbankbornnbred]

I'm just trying to work out whether Adam Gase is a worse head coach than Rich Kotite. I genuinely think he might be. And THAT is the lowest of low bars.