NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Incredible era for QBs, though. Elway, Montana, Young, Marino, Moon, Kelly, Aikman, Cunningham, Simms...the list goes on. Even the Jets picked up a talented passer - Ken O'Brien. He was probably the best we've had since Broadway Joe. And he was trumped by every name above. Back to today, was watching Parsons' on film. Jesus: that guy is a fucking beast. Relentless, and reads plays better than other LBs."

[RBshorty]

Would never take anything away from Montana. But it makes your life easier throwing the ball in the direction of Jerry Rice every weekend.! Both are stonewall hall of famers. It's apples and oranges conversation.

[southbankbornnbred]

"Montana was incredible in the pocket - he made time for himself with minimal-but-effective movement, similar to Brees, especially with that smooth release. He was top-class and a true great, no question. But, personally, I preferred Young's style. He could scramble really well, too, and I just prefer that gunslinger-style all-action approach - perfected, of course, by the greatest QB ever to play the game: Elway. Put Elway into that 49ers side and they win even more superbowls than they did with two superb QBs like Montana and Young. Put Elway in Jimmy Johnson's Dallas side and forget about opponents. But until the late 90s, Denver couldn't put as much talent around their QB through lack of $$$."

[El Scorchio]

"Bill Walsh wanted Phil Simms over Montana, but Simms was gone by the time they picked. Sliding doors moment."

[Lee Trundle]

A few people would say Young was the better of the two. The numbers would back them up. I don't think I could judge as I wasn't even a teenager when Montana played for us. Both were outstanding. Montana is still well liked in Kansas for the 2 seasons he played for them getting them to the play offs both seasons for the first time in decades.

[Far Cough]

"sbb, and of course they had king Billy as coach"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Yeah, nifty little 'back-up', Young, wasn't he?! Those days, before the salary cap, were mad and just remind me of Premier League football now - when you look at the benches of the wealthiest sides and see a row of £80m players sitting there. For the uninitiated (not many on here), Young was a Heisman runner-up who went off to play in the USFL - a short-lived rival to the NFL - and signed a record $40m deal for a team in Los Angeles. It made him a higher-paid player than most NFL stars. But he quit to join the NFL, joining struggling Tampa before the 49ers picked him up, still expensively, as Montana's back-up. This was back in the days when you could sit two big-salaried QBs on your roster if you had enough money. And the 49ers, with the Cowboys, seemed to have pretty much all the money! They were golden days for the NFL, but the mad finances (centred on just a few very wealthy sides) do seem archaic nowadays. The comparisons with the Premier League are all too easy. Young was a damn good QB, though. He would have walked into most starting line-ups even when Montana was in his pomp."

[Takashi Miike]

"""Montana's back up"" Steve Young - Pro & College Football Hall of Fame, 7 Pro Bowls, 2 x League Mvp, 1 x Superbowl Mvp, 3 Superbowls"

[Far Cough]

"Trunds, who was that then, Steve something? Oh and if the Vikings are top of the NFC North then the famous ""Black and Blue division"" must be a bit shit"

[Lee Trundle]

I'd kill for a Montana now. I'd even take Montana's back up at the time over what we currently have. ;-)

[southbankbornnbred]

"And if it is the late 80s again, can we have Al Toon back? Ta!"

[southbankbornnbred]

"That Dallas defense is playing as well as any other unit in the NFL at the moment. Really well drilled, and they have explosive pressure, too. Parsons is on another level at the moment, but his team-mates create many of opportunities for him, too. Norf - your bro should be proud, mate. That's a properly coached unit from line to secondary. The big Q with Dallas, as always, is whether the QB will be up to the biggest challenges when the season's proper clutch moments come up. The back-up is playing well, but he hasn't come up against real pressure yet. Blimey Cowgirls and Fish playing well. It all feels a bit 'late 80s'!"

[ironsofcanada]

"My sister sold pest-control for two summers in Dallas and really loved it. So, in a strange set of connections, my little niece has picked up the idea of being a Cowboys cheerleader, much to the chagrin of her parents and everyone. For that reason and the fact that they are the Liverpool or Man U of the NFL, I can't ever wish them well. Looking like a good team though, right to be proud Norf."

[Hermit Road]

"The cowgirls Defence is a real menace, viciously destructive. If Washington don't sort their fragile O line out soon there is going to be carnage in those two division games. Absolute carnage. If I was Carson, I'd have COVID for those."

[Norflundon]

Another great cowboys win but more importantly a really impressive performance we really should of won by more Defence are an absolute menace most sacks in the entire NFL only 3 TD's in 3 games they just seem to be getting better every game Jones will be spending most of this week in the ice bath he got smashed all game Cee Dee after a really poor first 3 quarters finally woke up in the fourth And what can I say about rush he's not a world beater but he's plenty good enough to win games as he's proved in the 3 games he's played The call to go for it on 4th and 4 ultimately won us the game and was massively ballsy call from McCarthy Looking forward to seeing my brother against Efe next week a proper master and apprentice match up

[El Scorchio]

Fucking hell this lot on channel 5 are shit. How is this woman a professional TV presenter? Absolute muppets.

[southbankbornnbred]

Even Adam Gase won games by leading from the front.

[southbankbornnbred]

"Just read a telling stat relating to Saleh's era as Jets HC: his team has been behind in EVERY game he has coached. Even games he's won, they trailed for most of the time. The Jets just never get ahead, and stay ahead, under this coach. Which puts far too much pressure on his offence to pass the ball regularly - rather than run a balanced offense, where they run the ball as often. Defensively, it means the side rarely gets to rush the quarterback, because opponents too often lead the Jets early and therefore run the ball regularly. Hence, so few sacks. We're making our offensive running game impotent, meaning we can't control the clock, and turbo-charging opponents' ground game."

[ironsofcanada]

Here's hoping swapping the Big Easy for the Big Smoke will cure what ails the Saints (spoilers: probably not) Anyone going?

[Northern Sold]

Miami 3 out of 3.... ... can we end the season now???

[southbankbornnbred]

"TM - spot on. With the Jets, the roster is now significantly better. Sauce, G Wilson, Johnson and others are all good picks. Joe Douglas, in fairness to him, has done his homework and done his bit. But the coaching staff, including Saleh, have been a car crash. Genuinely no better than Gase and his team at the moment. Which is saying something. I'll give them a bit more time - they are still dealing with a young (albeit more talented) roster - but my view up to this point is that Saleh has been massively over-promoted and so have some of his co-ordinators. We haven't even competed in two out of the three games this season. Defensively, we are shocking. Yet Saleh still refuses to call defensive plays. It will most likely get him sacked unless he bucks his ideas up, and quickly. I hope that changes, naturally."

[Takashi Miike]

"SB, he just refuses to sign veteran players that he hasn't got a past history (Panthers) with and it's killing us. You can get away with only bringing in youth in year one, but he just doesn't have the time to develop that many young players - not that I think this coaching staff are capable of making any plays better anyway Regarding Salah, it doesn't look much has changed other than the roster looks better. The one side he should have improved, hasn't. There are quite a few very good QBs entering next year's draft so maybe your front office will wait to pull the trigger on a new coach once you find out where you're drafting. Whoever is brought in will have some great weapons to target, but as evidenced with us, if you have a thick as s hit coordinator like Scott Turner calling plays, the amount of talent is irrelevant"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Yep, totally agree on Rivera, mate. He looks a bit insecure and wouldn't deal with the likes of Manley or Taylor. But you need several players like that on your roster - they force the team/squad to be better. It's what the Jets have lacked for a while, too. As well as talent! What makes the Jets' insipid start to another season so galling is that the Fish are 3-0 and, whisper it, looking like a decent side. IC must be on cloud nine."

[Takashi Miike]

"SB, of course the coaching and play calling has to be questioned but it's also a very soft team that lacks characters. from what I've seen of Ron over the last three years, he wouldn't have touched people like Dexter Manley, John Riggins or Sean Taylor with a barge pole, yet that's what the team is missing. In yesterday's post match presser he started talking about an espn story about him wanting garoppolo in the summer and using it as an excuse. once you start bullshitting to the fans, it doesn't end well"

[southbankbornnbred]

"TM/HH, Just seen highlights of the Washington game. My god, that O-line was poor. On two occasions, I swear it collapsed before the snap (players in motion)! Looks like they've never practiced. Doesn't matter who you've got behind centre when that happens. Feel sorry for Wentz. He's going to get badly injured."