NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Yeah, I would prefer that we didn't trade for Rodgers. But there's little doubting that, if we did, it is a big upgrade at QB - even through he is 39 years-old. That's how bad we have been at QB for so long! It does feel weird that Joe Douglas and Rob Saleh - who have meticulously built the team so far, would then go 'shit or bust' - which is what it would be with Rodgers (although they may not be demanding a Super Bowl - just the play-offs because even that has been 13 years and counting). Douglas and Saleh are details men, who plan pretty much everything. Most, but not all, of their big calls have gone right in the last two years - Wilson at QB being the big failure. You're right to say that a failure with Rodgers, by giving away picks and cap space, would be the end of them. Even if that failure was him getting injured - which is a big risk at his age. So throwing it all in on 39 year-old Rodgers seems odd for them. I wonder how much of this is really being driven by Woody and the Johnsons? I notice that both Woody and Chris Johnson have been to see Rodgers. My gut feeling is that this might be Woody's attempt to finally win over the hyper-critical fans in New York. So far, the Johnson family legacy has been exceptionally poor and fans want rid of them. They don't understand the game, or the team's fans, and they probably just see Rodgers and think: play-offs. They might even be right. But what's the price? It doesn't feel very Douglas/Saleh - unless they both feel they can't get a better QB elsewhere (trade or draft). We have a good young roster, packed with potential (Sauce, Johnson, Williams, Garrett Wilson, Elijah Moore, Ball etc). All meticulously scouted (for once) by the GM and HC. But they may not be ready, after one or two seasons, to step up to the highest level. Personally, I'd have gone for Jimmy G, the new OC, lit a fire up Zach Wilson's backside and carried on building. But it looks as though the owners are pinning everything on Rodgers being Gotham's messiah."

[El Scorchio]

"I think so as well. He's going to want to be QB, OC, HC and GM, call all the shots, and will likely cause problems if he doesn't get his way with everything. He's basically sulked his way out of GB. I agree there's a lot more value to be had in trading for someone else or looking to use draft picks/the draft. I don't think the Jets are ready to be in win now mode, especially in a tough division where there will be a lot of competition and indeed a tough conference where there's a lot of competition."

[Takashi Miike]

"that will probably see the end of saleh, rodgers comes a cross as very controlling and self centered. I don't doubt he still has a bit left, but you would have been better off trading away multiple picks to move up for bryce young. there's a deal to be made with chicago for that number one pick and I don't see them going QB, unless Fields is traded in the next few weeks"

[El Scorchio]

"southbankbornnbred 6:41 Well that's true! But it's very risky. If this doesn't pay off basically with a superbowl win, it's just going to push the team into cap hell and a clear out and yet more rebuilding. He's probably going to make certain demands upon the management and who they recruit in FA/draft. If Rodgers was the final piece to get you over the top, then yes, but I'm not sure he is at this point. But who knows! It'll be interesting to see what happens. It would make an already competitive and exciting looking division that little bit more so- especially if Brady goes to the Dolphins as well."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Rodgers' past links with our new offensive co-ordinator, Nate Hackett, should help a bit, too. Rodgers will be more familiar with the new offensive system than any of the current squad. I guess it's better that the QB knows what he's doing - even if he is now 148 years-old! While it wouldn't have been my choice, there's part of me that wants to see Garrett Wilson and Elijah Moore link up with Rodgers. Potentially, that is nuts. He won't lack for targets."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Most things do end badly for the Jets. So, in one sense, there's not a lot to lose! We haven't been to the play-offs since 2010. It's the longest play off drought in an NFL obsessed with parity. And quarterback was THE Achilles heel for us last season when Wilson fell off a cliff. I'd rather we went for Jimmy G or somebody less expensive than 39-year-old Rodgers, and kept slowly building under Saleh - who made steady improvements as head coach throughout last season. The fans generally have confidence in Saleh now, which was not the case in his first year, because he oversaw a much-needed improvement in the defense. But it looks like the owners and Saleh are keen on Rodgers having failed to land Carr (gone to Norlunz). I just hope we don't give up too much for him. Depending on whether he sticks around as QB2, Rodgers' influence might also help Wilson. His problem seems to be his attitude, which may now change. Who knows? I'd prefer we didn't land Rodgers. But if we're going to do it, then I guess we have to go all in...it's shit or bust at that point...see you in the play-offs or when Rodgers' season ends in injury..."

[El Scorchio]

Signing Rodgers will end badly for the Jets.

[Far Cough]

"Shouldn't unretire numbers no matter what Broadway Joe says. There was talk of unretiring Kirby Puckett's number because of his personal and legal issues, thank God they didn't the bloke was a genius with the bat and in the field"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Btw, if Rodgers signs for the Jets the team is going to 'unretire' (!) Joe Namath's #12 shirt number. Never thought I'd see that. Apparently, Namath himself has said it's OK."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Jets look like they're going ""shit or bust"" on a deal for Rodgers. I was previously bought into Saleh's ""gradual build"" approach, which certainly showed signs of success last season (especially on defense). But it looks like the top brass - and perhaps Saleh himself - feel like the team is already in shape for a now-or-never run at the AFC East and the play-offs. So they may trade away some picks for the win-now approach with Rodgers. Let's face it, the Jets have tried the softly-softly build approach before now (Herm, Rex, Bowles, HeadGase). And it often eneded in failure. I actually thought Saleh would get it right that way. But he's seemingly going for Mangina's shit or bust, when we landed an ageing Favre. It didn't end well back then (finished 9-7 but missed the play-offs after losing several in a row at the end, when Favre's arm gave up). Hope this is different. Rodgers in a Jets shirt. Fucking hell!"

[El Scorchio]

And surprise surprise there are noises that Brady might unretire again... Never saw that one coming.

[Joe C]

Rodgers to the Jets?

[Far Cough]

"El Scorchio 2:06 Sun Feb 19 Re: NFL (since 2016) Also what happened to Crystal Falace? He used to be all over this thread. Did he stop posting when the Patriots stopped winning? Yep, it seems that way?"

[Nutsin]

Daron Payne*

[El Scorchio]

Also what happened to Crystal Falace? He used to be all over this thread. Did he stop posting when the Patriots stopped winning?

[El Scorchio]

Bit of a QB dilemma as well. Who do you keep? Also the XFL started (again) today. Happened to watch the first game. Felt very college ball but quite enjoyable.

[Nutsin]

"March 15 th is the start of the new season and start of free agency. Some good free agents to be had. Niners have 16 mill in cap room but they have to pay Bosa. They can restructure Trent Williams and get an additional 14 mill which gives them some cash to play with""¶.. The D lineman Oay e looks like a nice fit""¶ Kinlaw looks like a bust."

[Takashi Miike]

"very happy to get eric bienemy, and fair play to rivera for not seeing such a hire as a threat to his position"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Eagles are probably one or two players away from dominating. But as Griff said, keeping the current roster on board will be tough - plenty up on free agency and will walk for a few extra million. Others now know their value in a league that likes to pay. It's a shame, because many worse sides than that Eagles line up have won Superbowls. Chiefs/Eagles definitely felt like #1/#2 in the league - which doesn't happen often. Mahomes is fucking insane. Jets passed on him. Of course the Jets passed on him."

[stewie griffin]

"""It would be nice if they can keep the squad together"" - unlikely i suspect, zeb, the list of free agents is pretty terrifying on the defence. And if Kelce retires, he's basically irreplaceable. Still, as long as Gannon goes, Eagles will be ok longer term - might just have a transitional year while the likes of Jordan Davis & Nakobe Dean step up, and a much tougher schedule. Evidently, the Cardinals job is 'his to lose'... a bit like the Superbowl was, and he managed that, the cսnt."

[zebthecat]

That was a classic offence-fest. Jalen Hurts and the entire Eagles defence were bloody to be on the losing side. It would be nice if they can keep the squad together. Red Zone is brilliant and a pretty intense watch as it flies from game to game for six odd hours

[nerd]

Love red zone grumpier

[Grumpster]

Bloody hate this 7 months waiting for it to start again. Season is even enjoyable when your team is shit due to how superb red zone is.

[stewie griffin]

"Eagles fans have never been convinced by gannon, and got totally shown up in the second half. Great first half and really should have been out of sight but for the silly fumble. Choked second half and got totally outcoached. Still, that's a disgusting call, and you know it's bad when even the receiver isn't appealing for it. To have the championship game and the superbowl decided by bad calls for one team isn't a good look. As for Mahomes, already a genuine great, but could do without the histrionics. Either that, or the injury will be very bad in the morning when all the juice they pumped him full of wears off."

[El Scorchio]

This stadium has a habit of producing amazing super bowls. Three absolute belters.