Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Bexley Ironworks]

"I didn't say he became a billionaire out of ""òsheer luck'. He clearly has an eye for an investment and I suggest luck has had a large part to play in the wealth he has acquired. Spotting investment opportunities to increase your own wealth doesn't make you good at running a business though. I don't see what's so hard to get? Outside of seizing an opportunity he's shocking at the day to day, to the point where there's every chance we'll go down, there'll be a fire sale and we'll be left with ""òthe West Ham brand' and not a lot else."

[Rusta]

Can we just agree he's a good business man that makes lots of money but is shit at running a successful football club

[Eerie Descent]

"There are nearly 8,000,000,000 on the planet. 2,755 of those are billionaires 177 of them live in the UK I would guess about 100 of them were born in England Probably less than 10 grew up on a council estate you'd imagine? Put football and hatred to one side, the man is a business genius."

[Nagel]

"No-one's said that taking a business from £71.7m t/o to £252.7m in 12 years was all down to luck. I did say it was down to moving to the new stadium and the increased TV money (that all PL clubs got). Care to explain exactly what Sully and Co did to increase those revenues, seeing as you seem to think it was all down to their business acumen?"

[Willtell]

Hmm! I'm trying hard not to argue points but to say someone that takes a business from £71.7m t/o to £252.7m in 12 years was all down to luck is much as Eerie says.

[Eerie Descent]

"A poor lad from a council estate becoming a self made BILLIONAIRE (£1,000,000,000) through sheer luck. Blimey. Do not let hatred boil your head to the point of talking utter nonsense."

[Nagel]

"Willtell 8:14 Wed Mar 29 Those revenue increases are down to two factors: the move to the stadium and the massive increase in TV money. Neither of those can be put down to Sully's business acumen. As for it being well run on the football side until the last year, what about when they hired a shit manager, refused to sack him and got us relegated 18 months after they joined. They've clearly learnt fuck all from that as well. We've gone from shambles to shambles as far as I can see, plus the added shit of losing our home and years of crappy hoofball from two of the dreariest managers in the history of the sport."

[Willtell]

"Bexley Ironworks 6:27 Wed Mar 29 Manuel 5:40 ""Come on then Manuel - tell me how he has actually improved West ham as a business in his time at the club?"" --------------------------------------------- I sympathise with your point Bexley but facts don't agree with you. When GSB took over in 2010 our turnover was £71.7m with losses of £20.6m. Twelve years later we had a turnover of £252.7m and a profit £13.06m after all the covid problems and just before spending £200m on players and a couple of years of European football. There can be little doubt that WHU went from a shambles to being a well run business from all respects except the football management in the last year."

[threesixty]

"Even great business men get it wrong. Being good at business doesn't mean you win all the time. Musk seems to have lost 22B right now! I suppose it's whether you can handle the loss? I think they defines you more. Sullivans lack of decision making Moyes will mean he takes a big loss but compared to how much he's made from the club already, I think he can handle that. It's just annoying that we the fans have to live with his stupid ""bets""ù. Club ownership in general annoys me. Owners should be custodians rather than just business owners. There should be some governance rules that allow fans to get rid of bad custodians. After all, football clubs represent an area and it's people. That's the whole point of them. Without the area and the people, what are they?"

[Texas Iron]

Can't believe Moyes still manager... Sullivan and board should be charged with dereliction of duty... Relative success in Europa league is no excuse for 18 months of telegation level performance in the Prem... Only ar West Ham...

[Meerkat]

If the reports of unhappiness and disillusionment within the coaching staff are true then why doesn't one of them resign and maybe force the whole thing out in the open . I'm specifically thinking of Nevin who also has the England gig and wouldn't exactly end up frequenting a soup kitchen. Or maybe it's just all bollocks and they are all looking after themselves.

[,]

"NYC, three times previously under the present stewardship relegation has threatened. I am pretty sure the the first time O'Neill was lined up to replace Grant. Unfortunately it seems O' Neill was put off by Brady and the rest is history. Under both Bilic and Pellegrini the Board acted in a timely fashion. However this time we are stuck with the go to man from the previous two relegation scenarios. Maybe there is some sort of misguided loyalty going on here but for me, and one or two others perhaps, it would have been better to have replaced Moyes during the WC22 interim."

[nychammer]

"Keeping Moyes is not proving very astute really. He's likely to get us relegated l, sell rice for a song, fuck off both of our expensive quality Italian and Brazilian international players he supposedly signed, due to disagreements over his approach to football (can't blame them) and keep / buy ""workmanlike""ù players like ings."

[Bexley Ironworks]

"Manuel 5:40 Wed Mar 29 Come on then Manuel - tell me how he has actually improved West ham as a business in his time at the club? Where have we progressed? Or do you think he's a good businessman because he has made himself a mint by selling our ground and rented an athletics stadium? Is that good for the business or good for him? Has he developed the training facilities? What about his approach to transfers or his record hiring managers? I don't care about his personal fortune. I care about the business that he has an interest in and that I am a customer of, and IMO he has royally fucked it."

[stubbo]

We should also remember Moyes is presiding nicely over the declining value of our most saleable playing asset in Rice. At one point when we were flying he was being talked bout in the 150m plus bracket....now with us falling down the table and him coming under scrutiny in a failing side numbers of less than half that are raising eyebrows and being questioned. Don't be fooled into thinking that that decline is anything other than at the feet of Moyes too. And anything that has been delivered by Moyes is fundamentally made possible by Sullivan and his business acumen.

[Bexley Ironworks]

"Stubbo is right. It depends what your definition of a good businessman is. He bought Birmingham because he thought they would get the Commonwealth games and he could flog St Andrews and cash in on a free stadium. When it went to Manchester he bought us for exactly the same reason where the Olympic stadium was concerned. His interest was in the real estate and the millions he could make for himself, not the underlying business, staff or customers. He's a property magnate not a competent businessman. That should be fucking obvious to anyone who has seen him operate for the last 20 years."

[stubbo]

"Don't disagree comma, but I guess the point would be that being a first class businessman (and the measures of it) isn't necessarily the sane thing as being adept at running a 21st century Premier League football club. I'd argue the evidence is very much in the contrary. That the toxic cսnt Moyes remains in charge some 15 months after it became apparent he was turning things to shit, and having allowed him after 6 months of abject failure to then go drop a further ¬£200m (plus wages commitment) of the Club's money up until now is is evidence of the fact."

[Manuel]

Bexley Ironworks 5:22 Wed Mar 29 You're clearly an idiot. What the fuck are you even rambling on about.

[,]

In my opinion David Sullivan is unquestionably a first class businessman. He came from a stable working class background and eventually left Queen Mary College with a 2.1 in Economics. The fact that he has gone from working class boy to Billionaire indicates to me that he is much more than a very fortunate opportunist.

[stubbo]

"Depends what you define as a 'successful' businessman. When he eventually sells West Ham, he'll undoubtedly make a very tidy profit (given when he bought in we were valued at 100m and we're now valued nearer to 700m). By the metrics being shouted, that will make him a 'successful businessman'. Does it make him shrewd at running a complex organisation, or being good at the things that require him to run a football club? No. Say we went down and he sold us for 300m...he still makes a huge amount of money and the 'successful businessman' mantra holds firm...but none of that makes him 'shrewd at running a football club, or intelligent at running a complex business'. Just means he's good at spotting something that will go up in value regardless of how well he does what comes next. This idea that 'he must be intelligent or smart at running a business because he's clearly made a load of money in the past in business' simply doesn't hold up to scrutiny. His history as a football club owner shows he's shit at it by the context of on field success, stability, and progression."

[Bexley Ironworks]

"And no, it really doesn't take a genius to have sold smut (when that market existed), then use the profit to leverage themselves and coin it in from the London property boom. I'd say he was an opportunist rather than a businessman Maybe I'd have done the same if I was a 70 year old, perverted midget in a Cossack coat? But I'm not."

[Bexley Ironworks]

Manuel 5:05 Wed Mar 29 That struck a chord. You seem to know a lot about him. Are you related?

[Takashi Miike]

"well said bexley, he's a fucking horrible four foot scumbag. anyone defending him at this stage needs their brain replaced with a cabbage"

[simon.s]

"I think there's no question that Sullivan is a good businessman. He sold our old ground for a tidy amount, and moved us to a rented athletics stadium, paying a pittance in the process."

[Manuel]

"Bexley Ironworks 4:58 Wed Mar 29 What a fucking moronic post. Yea a billionaire from a council estate in Cardiff just got ''lucked out'', right. He studied business at Uni, did you? And why is it ''morally'' wrong to make money from porn? You sound like a look down your nose, prudish type of cսnt ?"