NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[RBshorty]

It’s a mess South.(And this from a Giants fan.!) The problem now is every crazy story that comes out puts everyone in the building on the back foot. The only good news for you. Is maybe this will force the other owners too get Woody to sell up.? The NFL probably felt they had got rid of this kind of shit show. When Synder left Washington.

[southbankbornnbred]

I said at the time, firing Saleh would change nothing. You've possibly got much worse since he went. This benefit of the doubt stuff you keep giving to that disaster of an owner is weird, almost stockholm syndromesque. From someone that had a similar cսnt in charge of us for close to a quarter of a century, he's the biggest problem the Jets have ever had

Hey TM. Nah - I don't give Johnosn the benefit of the doubt: I think he's awful. We now have the worst stewardship of any NFL franchise. It's that simple.

But just because Woody is god-awful, doesn't mean that every story about a failure or problem at the Jets is true or that Johnson is the reason for it. Bad owners make bad appointments. So it stands to reason that at least some of the shit or crazy decisions etc will be down to people in senior positions below Johnson.

Douglas was a mixed bag: some good draft decisions, too many poor choices. He wants another crack at the NFL, I get it. So he's trying to clear his name a bit in the media.

Everybody wanted Saleh to work out as HC - and many people on here still hold a candle for him (those 49ers!) - but the fact is his basic coaching and in-game decision-making as HC was really poor. He's an excellent DC who was given more than three years to start making headway as HC (a big step up). But by the end he was getting worse. Truly awful basic coaching errors - the stuff Rex Ryan correctly picked out in his analysis.

Saleh has time to fix things. Pete Carroll was poor in his first big job and improved massively with time, dedication and experience. Same with Belichick. Saleh will be back in the NFL and will probably do well but he has things to work on.

Woody needs to sell up and move on. But that doesn't mean other people are exempt from criticism. It's like any manager who works under Sullivan. Sullivan being a crap owner doesn't make Moyes' final months, or Avram Grant, excusable.

[Takashi Miike]

I said at the time, firing Saleh would change nothing. You've possibly got much worse since he went. This benefit of the doubt stuff you keep giving to that disaster of an owner is weird, almost stockholm syndromesque. From someone that had a similar cսnt in charge of us for close to a quarter of a century, he's the biggest problem the Jets have ever had

[southbankbornnbred]

News coming out of Jets land. Woody Johnson nixed a trade for Jerry Jeudy last offseason because his 17 year old grandson told him. That the player rating on Madden was too low.! This is what it must be like in the Sullivan household.? Just when I thought the Giants took the title of worse run outfit in New York.

GO G MEN.

Much as I want this story to be entirely true - because the Jets absolutely are the worst-run outfit in the NFL - I fear there's a bit of shitehousing going on here, on the part of Joe Douglas.

Douglas got sacked by Woody (who is batshit), and has a gripe. I'm sure Johnson mentioned Madden ratings with Douglas when discussing players - most likely as an aside or smaller detail, because he wants young fans to recognise and covet the players he signs (so they buy more shirts/merch etc). But I doubt even Woody would make or break a deal over a player based on that. Even in his own telling of this tale, Douglas later admits that Johnson also raised another players' poor Madden rating during a discussion - and Douglas went on to sign that player anyway.

And there's the big clue: Douglas generally could sign whichever players he wanted, within the salary cap. Johnson's interference didn't really stretch that far - beyond insisting they went all in on Aaron Rodgers (that was his big idea for a Super Bowl run!). Beyond that, Douglas and Saleh had a lot of freedom to sign players. It would most likely have been Douglas, Saleh or Hackett who went cold on Jerry Jeudy. Unless Woody had $$$ concerns.

The Madden stuff is just Douglas shithousery. And I say that as somebody who thought Douglas was an "ok" GM and who wants Woody to sell up and move on.

After Douglas admitted he signed the second player whose Madden rating was discussed, the journalist should have just asked: "So, that means you could have signed Jerry Jeudy, too?"

What's the GM of the 10th biggest club/franchise in global sport going to say in response? "No, because Woody's son had a computer game and didn't like him?"

[southbankbornnbred]

News coming out of Jets land. Woody Johnson nixed a trade for Jerry Jeudy last offseason because his 17 year old grandson told him. That the player rating on Madden was too low.! This is what it must be like in the Sullivan household.? Just when I thought the Giants took the title of worse run outfit in New York.

GO G MEN.

Much as I want this story to be entirely true - because the Jets absolutely are the worst-run outfit in the NFL - I fear there's a bit of shitehousing going on here, on the part of Joe Douglas.

Douglas got sacked by Woody (who is batshit), and has a gripe. I'm sure Johnson mentioned Madden ratings with Douglas when discussing players - most likely as an aside or smaller detail, because he wants young fans to recognise and covet the players he signs (so they buy more shirts/merch etc). But I doubt even Woody would make or break a deal over a player based on that. Even in his own telling of this tale, Douglas later admits that Johnson also raised another players' poor Madden rating during a discussion - and Douglas went on to sign that player anyway.

And there's the big clue: Douglas generally could sign whichever players he wanted, within the salary cap. Johnson's interference didn't really stretch that far - beyond insisting they went all in on Aaron Rodgers (that was his big idea for a Super Bowl run!). Beyond that, Douglas and Saleh had a lot of freedom to sign players. It would most likely have been Douglas, Saleh or Hackett who went cold on Jerry Jeudy. Unless Woody had $$$ concerns.

The Madden stuff is just Douglas shithousery. And I say that as somebody who thought Douglas was an "ok" GM and who wants Woody to sell up and move on.

[RBshorty]

News coming out of Jets land. Woody Johnson nixed a trade for Jerry Jeudy last offseason because his 17 year old grandson told him. That the player rating on Madden was too low.! This is what it must be like in the Sullivan household.? Just when I thought the Giants took the title of worse run outfit in New York.

GO G MEN.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Got three tough games coming up, Seahawks away, Packers at home, and Lions away.

[RBshorty]

Talking about lively characters. Christian Bale has just joined the cast of Madden. As Al Davis.! And too top that you have Nic Cage as John Madden.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Ah good old Teddy. I've got a Vikings jersey which I bought when the Vikings played the Browns at Twickenham, I really wanted John Randle's name on it but all they had was Bridgewater's name.

[Takashi Miike]

Both of those QBs you have mentioned Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham, ended up on the Minnesota Vikings QB merry go round along with Jim McMahon and Brett Favre.

 

 

one of your old QBs, Teddy Bridgewater, just won a state title in his first season as a head coach with his old high school, Miami Northwestern

[Far Cough UKunt]

Cunningham had a decent career at the Vikings, I mean he had Chris Carter, Jake Reed and a young Randy Moss to throw to. He put up some good numbers with the Vikes.

We seemed to have good luck with receivers over the years.

[southbankbornnbred]

Both of those QBs you have mentioned Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham, ended up on the Minnesota Vikings QB merry go round along with Jim McMahon and Brett Favre.

Both excellent QBs in their prime. Not sure the Vikes saw their prime years, though. Moon started well for you, didn't he? But then got some bad injuries IIRC.

Cunningham in his pomp at the Eagles was just pure entertainment. Like he was made of rubber. Today's HCs/OCs would have a heart attack if he ran the ball, or left the pocket, as often as he did back then. But that made it all the more un-missable..

[Far Cough UKunt]

Both of those QBs you have mentioned Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham, ended up on the Minnesota Vikings QB merry go round along with Jim McMahon and Brett Favre.

[southbankbornnbred]

Hahaha, I loved Jerry Glanville, what a character he was. 

That's the trouble these days, no characters.

Then you had Glanville, Ditka, the Icky shuffle bloke, I forget his name, also you had Neon Deion, there must be others?

Cough - that era had some huge characters. Like most sports, it has all become so professional now. But the mavericks and lunatics made for great viewing. Randall Cunningham (not the very best QB, but certainly the most entertaining: anything could happen), LT etc, the Sack Exchange (a little earlier) etc.

[southbankbornnbred]

Hahaha, I loved Jerry Glanville, what a character he was. 

That's the trouble these days, no characters.

Then you had Glanville, Ditka, the Icky shuffle bloke, I forget his name, also you had Neon Deion, there must be others?

Glanville was batshit. But I did like watching his sides - the no-huddle "run and shoot" offense was a thing of beautiful chaos! Might work, sometimes didn't - but when it worked, the gains in yardage were often spectacular! Helped to have Warren Moon, who had an arm like a cannon.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Hahaha, I loved Jerry Glanville, what a character he was. 

That's the trouble these days, no characters.

Then you had Glanville, Ditka, the Icky shuffle bloke, I forget his name, also you had Neon Deion, there must be others?

[southbankbornnbred]

Have to say, of those sides, I'd like to see the Lions win it.

That place would go nuts if they won the lot. It would also send a good message to sides like the Jets and Browns: that you can get your act into gear - and change doom-laden cultures - if you make the right choices and appointments.

But I fear they are a high-scoring side that a Superbowl-standard defence will take down. In that respect, they remind me of Glanville's Houston Oilers (led by Warren Moon) in the 1980s: on their day they could blow you away, but just a little too inconsistent to land the big prize.

[southbankbornnbred]

The Chiefs do look excellent right now. But the play-offs are always a step up and some other sides are just hitting their stride while the Chiefs are getting a bit banged up (even though they are winning). The Eagles look strong. The Bills are up and down, but their best performances are high quality. Vikes and Lions are not to be sniffed at.

And there will be a late bloomer in the season. There always is. The Rams this year?

[RBshorty]

Would love to see either the Bills or Lion’s take home a Vince. But like Far. Can see the Chiefs winning it. Without even getting out of 2nd gear.!

GO G MEN.!

[Far Cough UKunt]

Obviously I'd love the Vikings to win it all at the fifth time of trying but I can't see anyone beating Taylor Swift's Chiefs?

[Nutsin]

Seeing as my Niners have collapsed I’m hoping for a high draft pick so my attention will now be more on the prospects for the upcoming draft.

As for the rest of the season I’d like to see the Vikes win it all. I like Jefferson great player and if u listen to him speak you can’t help but like him.
also Darnold grew up and went to San Clemente high school. My son’s schools big rival. Good to see him doing so well finally.

I think it’ll be Vikes v Bills in the Super Bowl which will be a great game to watch for the neutral fan.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Interesting all white uniforms worn by the Vikings against the Bears.

[southbankbornnbred]

Goes to show how bad the Jets have been at QB for so long now: I'd bite your arm off for a mid-ranking QB! If we had the 13th or 14th best QB in the league, it would be a significant upgrade on where we have been since Pennington (the aging Favre and Rodgers aside: both too expensive and fragile at their ages when we brought them in).

[southbankbornnbred]

the 49ers have proved you don't need a superstar at QB to succeed if you have a strong running game, your rookie was a much better college QB than Purdy. the Lions bloke also loves making the passing game work off the run, so Breece Hall and the other youngster you drafted would thrive under Johnson. It's just what team can attract him to leave? maybe the giants will also be looking for staff, along with quite a few other teams

Yeah, definitely think that's the way the Jets should go. Travis would be a risk at QB, because of his bad injury (it must have been worse than people thought because he's still not back). But you have to take a risk once in a while. If he worked out next season - even if it looked like he'd be a mid-ranking (by NFL standards) QB for us - we could sign him to a multi-year deal after that and focus on building a strong team around him. With Bell and Allen in the backfield, we already have two excellent running backs who just need a good line in front of them.

[Takashi Miike]

the 49ers have proved you don't need a superstar at QB to succeed if you have a strong running game, your rookie was a much better college QB than Purdy. the Lions bloke also loves making the passing game work off the run, so Breece Hall and the other youngster you drafted would thrive under Johnson. It's just what team can attract him to leave? maybe the giants will also be looking for staff, along with quite a few other teams