The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Looks like US funding of Ukraine is finished, and a peace deal is almost agreed where by Russia gets the annexed land. Ukraine has to forget NATO but can join the EU. European nations offer security guarantees. The US  get 50% of Ukraine’s mineral  wealth. Zelensky steps down and they hold an election.

AFD’s alleged announcement of an EU referendum if they win their election, could completely destroy any  Ukraine positives. In fact Dexit could be the end of the EU altogether.


 

[Leavemyarcelona]

Putin apologists make me sick making excuses for his numerous crimes with conspiracy theory bollocks
Putin is clearly a war criminal,a despot on the same level as Hitler and Stalin 
Trump is a moron if he thinks Putin with stop at the Ukraine,he needs to rebuild his smashed up armed forces and will probably attack Ukraine again or Moldova,Georgia,Armenia in a few years time
No way will he take on NATO with or without USA

What makes them conspiracy theories? You left out Starmer, why? 

[Sydney_Iron]

The Trump gang and GOP at their yearly CPAC conference are as already planning to install Trump as President in 2028.Apparently, they are planning on pushing the 'Third term project' despite the limit of two terms in the Constitution –

No problems i say.

If the Orange man can run, then surely Obama could as well? The Dems may well clean up if that comes to pass????

[Nutsin]

I don’t think anybody wants to see an end to NATO but it’s survival as an effective fighting force requires all the members to step up and fund it. Something the other members have been reluctant to do for years.

All too easy to blame Trump for what the other ponce nations of NATO won’t do, which is pay a fair share.

According to Zelensky Ukraine did not receive a lot of the money sent by Biden’s administration, which im sure will expose even more corruption. Ukraine is a cesspit of Corruption. Zelensky’s days are numbered. 

As for Canada, Trudeau is a major cսnt! What he did to the Truck drivers in Canada was beyond cunty. He’s a far left loon that needs winding in and Mexico have proven themselves to be bad actors with how they completely failed the US with the US border and fentanyl crisis coming across the Southern US border. It’s about time they did what’s right. 

To be completely fair the biggest idiots of them all are the Gov’ts in Europe with the giant Beaurocracy which is the European Union, It is the EU that is the problem. One example is Charging the US Tarrifs while the US tax payers practically fund NATO. 

Change is long overdue. Let’s see what a NATO force ends up looking like now. The problem here is not Trump.
I’ve got a funny feeling that the EU Gov’ts stance on backing Ukraine no matter what will change when they have to start coughing up the extra money.

Pretty fucking easy to preach about Trump while hiding in the shadows of your responsibilities.

The War is over and You can expect to see an end of any further NATO expansion.

Its kind of a win you got Finland out of it.
 

[ironsofcanada]

The other political issue is what is happening in Gaza today. 

[Lee Trundle]

Trudeau has been an idiot in regards to him 

So have the majority of EU leaders.

They're all about to receive a big dosage of FAFO.

[ironsofcanada]

of course it won't happen but why say it then, it's just infantile, and bizarre to say things to piss off your neighbours and allies. Also how are people meant to know what he means and what he doesn't, I thought the Gulf of Mexico thing was a joke but here we are.

If you somehow think its shrewd to do your diplomacy via stupid statements on twitter rather than behind doors negotiating then fine but don't make out it's all actually just a genius move from a great statesman.

Putin must be pissing himself, Trump has done more to destabilise the west and NATO after a month in office than the USSR achieved in the entire Cold War

 

 

I don't think anyone whose not all in with him thinks he's a great statesman.  I don't.

But he is speaking the language of his people and, again, if we look what he can and actually is doing, not saying off the cuff, the picture is a lot different.


He is picking on Canada (and I know you don't care about our politics) because we don't have a functioning government, including a lame duck Prime Minister, and Trudeau has been an idiot in regards to him (if we want to talked about lack of statesmanship) in the past.   The last part isn't great but I think the first part is - without red and white specs on - objectively very effective. Again, I know you don't care but I am way more upset about the internal politics and economics that has left us this vulnerable, economically. There certainly is blood in the water. And not primarly for the States. 


I have to disagree with the last bit, just being a late Cold War kid and studying the history in the first parts of my schooling.  But there you go.

If the last few years and Ukraine has told us anything, Russia is not a threat in a conventional war sense.  To me, the threats are 1) nuclear - probably less the less we push and ally against Putin - in my opinion -  and 2) cyber etc.  But that second one, Russia is so much cruder and smaller and bumbling than China. 

Whether it is good for Europe or not, unfortunately, but the biggest threats to the US aren't countered as much by NATO any more. 

[Lee Trundle]

Who politically from the EU, or Canada and Mexico, has been an ally to Trump?

[Hammer I am]

 

What parts do you disagree with? Was it his suggestion you cease to exist as a sovereign nation? I don't remember him telling American voters that was part of his plan, along with annexing Greenland, Panama, and Palestine 

If you think the Canada bit's happening I have a bridge to sell you.


He is actually is pretty decent at making a big flashy claim/ threat  and you getting so hot and bothered, that you feel so relieved when he just gets his way a little bit.

(The tariffs were happening no matter what - until he got a huge political concession and a win with the base - Mexico and Canada agreeing with him that there were problems at the border.)

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of course it won't happen but why say it then, it's just infantile, and bizarre to say things to piss off your neighbours and allies. Also how are people meant to know what he means and what he doesn't, I thought the Gulf of Mexico thing was a joke but here we are.

If you somehow think its shrewd to do your diplomacy via stupid statements on twitter rather than behind doors negotiating then fine but don't make out it's all actually just a genius move from a great statesman.

Putin must be pissing himself, Trump has done more to destabilise the west and NATO after a month in office than the USSR achieved in the entire Cold War

[ironsofcanada]

 

What parts do you disagree with? Was it his suggestion you cease to exist as a sovereign nation? I don't remember him telling American voters that was part of his plan, along with annexing Greenland, Panama, and Palestine 

If you think the Canada bit's happening I have a bridge to sell you.


He is actually is pretty decent at making a big flashy claim/ threat  and you getting so hot and bothered, that you feel so relieved when he just gets his way a little bit.

(The tariffs were happening no matter what - until he got a huge political concession and a win with the base - Mexico and Canada agreeing with him that there were problems at the border.)

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[Mr Anon]

Trump has just gone completely unhinged without adults in the room to talk sense.
This admnistraton is just an echo chamber of ignorance, lies, toadying to diccatators and conspiracy nonsense this time around.
Bring on the mid-terms.
Hopefully some of the red crew in the senate grow a spine in the meantime.

I disagree with a lot of the things he says, often do.

But from an American perspective, he is doing what he told voters he would - get out of wars and save money.  


Ukraine is going to change nothing at midterms, probably not either way, but certainly not negatively.
There is a percentage that this really offends, maybe rightly, but they didn't vote for him and he won the popular vote. 

Overly wordy critiiques are great to get the frustrations out but say you are him, how to do fix Ukraine and maintain voter base for the party. A solution, please, since I would assume you consider yourself an adult (pretend you are in the room.)

What parts do you disagree with? Was it his suggestion you cease to exist as a sovereign nation? I don't remember him telling American voters that was part of his plan, along with annexing Greenland, Panama, and Palestine 

[ironsofcanada]

Fuck off,
He loves his country unlike that cսnt Putin , he's happy to send them all off to the meat grinder whilst getting bummed by Trump 



 

Zelensky?

[ironsofcanada]

Trump has just gone completely unhinged without adults in the room to talk sense.
This admnistraton is just an echo chamber of ignorance, lies, toadying to diccatators and conspiracy nonsense this time around.
Bring on the mid-terms.
Hopefully some of the red crew in the senate grow a spine in the meantime.

I disagree with a lot of the things he says, often do.

But from an American perspective, he is doing what he told voters he would - get out of wars and save money.  


Ukraine is going to change nothing at midterms, probably not either way, but certainly not negatively.
There is a percentage that this really offends, maybe rightly, but they didn't vote for him and he won the popular vote. 

Overly wordy critiiques are great to get the frustrations out but say you are him, how to do fix Ukraine and maintain voter base for the party. A solution, please, since I would assume you consider yourself an adult (pretend you are in the room.)

[Nutsin]

Warmongers!

 

[yngwies Cat]

I thought The Black Sea Fleet that thought against Ukraine is now at the bottom of the Black Sea,  whilst the rest bottled it and fucked off.

[yngwies Cat]

Fuck off,
He loves his country unlike that cսnt Putin , he's happy to send them all off to the meat grinder whilst getting bummed by Trump 


 

[zebthecat]

Just when you think Trump has gone to the limit of bonkers he tells Ukraine they shouldn’t have started the war with Russia
Is off to see Putin to get a share of the minerals that Ukraine have that are necessary for mobile phones etc

 

Trump has just gone completely unhinged without adults in the room to talk sense.
This admnistraton is just an echo chamber of ignorance, lies, toadying to diccatators and conspiracy nonsense this time around.
Bring on the mid-terms.
Hopefully some of the red crew in the senate grow a spine in the meantime.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Ukraine held peace talks a few times without inviting Russia. They will inevitably have to meet to find a possible agreement at some point. Much like they did in the  early months, but the West said don't trust Putin, he wants to invade all of Europe, you're fighting for not just your democracy but ours. Which is crazy considering Zelensky was elected on a promise to bring peace to the Donbass.

The alternative to establishing peace talks is continuing the war possibly without US funding .Even with continued US funding it doesn't seem remotely likely that Ukraine could ever push Russia out. Seeing as Zelensky is claiming most of the money never reached them, it's looking like mass corruption is the only winner, and reason to continue.









 

[Fauxstralian]

Just when you think Trump has gone to the limit of bonkers he tells Ukraine they shouldn’t have started the war with Russia
Is off to see Putin to get a share of the minerals that Ukraine have that are necessary for mobile phones etc
 

[THUNDERCLINT]

Zelensky is done, nothing but a liability to his handlers now and the powder is running his mouth. He'll flee the country or end up like Howard Beale soon enough.

[WHU(Exeter)]

Proposing to take over Greenland, party because of the Russian threat.

But asking Ukraine to back off from continuing their war against erm…Russia?

funny old game.

[Hammer I am]

A lot of hand wringing going on by a few of you, some of you know for a fact that Trump's recent statements are unhinged, but you can't pull back, because you've spent years backing him as he winds up all the right people. 

His recent statement about Ukraine not being invited to their own peace negotiations because "they shouldn't have started it" Can he literally say anything at this point and you'll believe black is white? Well not "believe" but still argue the point .

It's gone against winding up the woke brigade and trans activism at this point, all of that is a happy distraction 

[Nutsin]

Perhaps reform can work out an agreement to ship all the migrants to Ukraine after the landslide victory in the next election. I’m sure Trump would be ok with it.

Would be a win-win all round.  European Union loves diversity, British citizens get their country back before it goes bankrupt, With no benefits they’ll have to work to eat, what a concept, even those backward bastards can carry a Hod.

How about this, ship a few hundred thousand Palestinians to Ukraine get them in on the rebuild while the U S can rebuild Gaza into the Middle East riviera. There are 1.8 million Palestinians not sure how many of that number are adult males but sending the adult men only to Ukraine would be perfect. As we all know it’s only the men that are asylum seekers anyways.

As they say to the victor go the spoils. Everybody is happy. Except the Poles, which makes it even better.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

All the US/Ukraine/Russia/EU stuff is a proper circus at the moment.

You've got Zelensky saying Trump is "living in a disinformation space" but also trying to keep the US onside because he needs their support. Apparently the US wants 50% of the rare earth minerals from Ukraine.

Meanwhile the European leaders are desperately trying to make themselves look relevant by having their own meetings which nobody cares about.

US funding of this war was simply a loan. They were always going to want repayment, and it was no secret the rebuild contract was given to BlackRock. 

The whole thing was a land grab for the West, to strategically weaken any threat future from Russia, and its naval fleet in the Black Sea.

If Ukraine could win, NATO would camp up there officially instead of the secret spy networks, underground command centres and Bio weapons labs the US built via  CIA funding prior to the war. Then the EU could swallow it up and flood it with immigrants to replace all the dead generations of Ukrainian males and BlackRock would make a fortune.

[ironsofcanada]

All the US/Ukraine/Russia/EU stuff is a proper circus at the moment.

You've got Zelensky saying Trump is "living in a disinformation space" but also trying to keep the US onside because he needs their support. Apparently the US wants 50% of the rare earth minerals from Ukraine.

Meanwhile the European leaders are desperately trying to make themselves look relevant by having their own meetings which nobody cares about.

It's a really tough one for me. (Personally, the Ukrainian community around where I grew up is super strong.  And my nephew's wife is Ukrainian, she came from school before all this started but had years where she could not see her parents etc.)

Ukraine obviously has the right to self-determination and is it too Darwinian to say if it can't survive on its own, it shouldn't survive? Probably.

But there is a reason the Ukraine wasn't a part of NATO and other alliances befor this and a lot of it is because it was mess politically.  And a lot of the politics have been swept under the rug, when it became the cause of Western powers. 

Zelensky openly said  that he didn't get almost 70% of the money sent but needs and wants more. 

I am for less war in my great years and if we are going to go to war for oppressed people, we have a whole lot more work to do around the world.  And people have been making themselves rich off that for year. 

Probably more questions than answers, I guess.