The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[zebthecat]

Violated.

All perfectly normal if a drunken brawlbhas taken place according to someone on the woke thread.

Only it wasn't a brawl, the mp continued to batter a bloke who wouldnt/ couldnt defend himself.

Assuming the MP is of previous good character with no convictions, etc, then five years ago I would have said OK, suspended sentence and community service, alcohol rehabilitation thingy, sounds reasonable. But since then we've seen someone go to prison for shouting at a police dog and others imprisoned for twitter posts. Just doesn't seem right.

You can add walking slowly and having a zoom meeting about a potential protest to the list.

[Nurse Ratched]

Violated.

All perfectly normal if a drunken brawlbhas taken place according to someone on the woke thread.

Only it wasn't a brawl, the mp continued to batter a bloke who wouldnt/ couldnt defend himself.

Assuming the MP is of previous good character with no convictions, etc, then five years ago I would have said OK, suspended sentence and community service, alcohol rehabilitation thingy, sounds reasonable. But since then we've seen someone go to prison for shouting at a police dog and others imprisoned for twitter posts. Just doesn't seem right.

[MaryMillingtonsGhost]

Actually the sentence is suspended pending appeal.
Lose that appeal, which he will given that video, and off to prison he goes.
It won't stop his election recall either as he has still been convicted.

 

 

Is that right mate?
Thought it was Amesbury that had appealed the sentence, and the beak agreed and commuted it to the original 10 weeks, suspended for 2 years.
cսnt keeps his nose clean for a couple of years, charge becomes null and void.
Will probably be kicked off the MP's gravy train though.

 

 

[zebthecat]

i see Keir has pulled some strings and got Amesbury off the hook and out of going to prison
 

Actually the sentence is suspended pending appeal.
Lose that appeal, which he will given that video, and off to prison he goes.
It won't stop his election recall either as he has still been convicted.

[only1billybonds]

Violated.

All perfectly normal if a drunken brawlbhas taken place according to someone on the woke thread.

Only it wasn't a brawl, the mp continued to batter a bloke who wouldnt/ couldnt defend himself.

[violator]

i see Keir has pulled some strings and got Amesbury off the hook and out of going to prison

[goose]

One for Billy boy and northbank Frank:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62zzxeeveeo

over 100,000 people claimed asylum last year. Close on 300,000 people in a 3 year period.

[Nutsin]

Tomorrow we get to see the Epstein list according to Bondi the Attorney General. 

Trump is considering a golden card pathway to US citizenship, you have to buy it for a cool $5 million per card but it will give you a green card and a right to citizenship if you behave it will bring in some much needed money. Every 250,000 people sign up will generate a trillion dollars for the treasury. 

DOGE digging up all sorts of waste in Gov’t spending and of course corruption. Shit on some dirty Dems beginning to surface.

Trumps New tax bill is progressing well. No tax on social security, tips or overtime.

All this winning, it’s too much! 

MAGA!

More promises made being kept. 
 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

I see H&P is, as usual, resorting to faux injured feelings and long-winded deflection. The fact that indigenous parents have children has no bearing on calculating the true cost/benefit of a migrant.
 
Can't the mods ban his obvious alt username as well?

[goose]

'However those migrant low skilled workers tend to be the ones that are orderlies, nurses, nursing assistans and porters in our hospitals'

Agreed but isn't this a circular argument?  The only reason we need more of the jobs listed is because we have over 10M people in this country who weren't born here, plus their dependants.  Had we had a sensible immigration policy over the last 20 years then we wouldn't need to import even more low paid workers to care for the people who have arrived in that time.

 

 

Simple conclusions for simple people.

People aged 65 and over account for over 40% of hospital admissions. They occupy around two-thirds of hospital inpatient beds.

2021 census shows just over 11.1 million people (18.6% of the UK population) are over 65.  Of those, 10.4 million (17.4%) are white. 

Hence the orderlies, nurses, nursing assistants and porters in our hospitals are primarily looking after our ageing white population, not the immigrants over the past 20 years that people on this site despise.

Definitely some ‘simple’ thinking Frank son.

[Cabbige Savage]

UK get the bess fird world doctors

[WHU(Exeter)]

Franks nailed it on the head here.

Britain like other western countries, is faced with the problem of an increasingly aging population percentage wise and all that extra pressure it puts on an already failing health service.

Those selfish bastards. They could've at least chipped in a bit, I don't know, paid in monthly, could call it something like National insurance contributions, or maybe something else a bit more catchy?

Obviously though, the answer to solve all this is to have practically zero control of our borders, thus adding to erm, the problem.

It's obvious when you think about it.

*Raises glass to Frank*

[only1billybonds]

Why is the colour of people being brought up? Thought the conversation was about migrants, regardless of what they look like or where the're from?

[northbankfrank]

'However those migrant low skilled workers tend to be the ones that are orderlies, nurses, nursing assistans and porters in our hospitals'

Agreed but isn't this a circular argument?  The only reason we need more of the jobs listed is because we have over 10M people in this country who weren't born here, plus their dependants.  Had we had a sensible immigration policy over the last 20 years then we wouldn't need to import even more low paid workers to care for the people who have arrived in that time.

 

 

 

 

Simple conclusions for simple people.

People aged 65 and over account for over 40% of hospital admissions. They occupy around two-thirds of hospital inpatient beds.

2021 census shows just over 11.1 million people (18.6% of the UK population) are over 65.  Of those, 10.4 million (17.4%) are white. 

Hence the orderlies, nurses, nursing assistants and porters in our hospitals are primarily looking after our ageing white population, not the immigrants over the past 20 years that people on this site despise.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Yep there you go....!!!

[Lee Trundle]

Economically inactive is a bit harsh.

They seem to spend a fucking fortune in Sports Direct.

You sure they're spending anything though?

I thought they just rush in, grab what they want, and rush out?

[WHU(Exeter)]

Economically inactive is a bit harsh.

They seem to spend a fucking fortune in Sports Direct.

[Eerie Decent]

'However those migrant low skilled workers tend to be the ones that are orderlies, nurses, nursing assistans and porters in our hospitals'

Agreed but isn't this a circular argument?  The only reason we need more of the jobs listed is because we have over 10M people in this country who weren't born here, plus their dependants.  Had we had a sensible immigration policy over the last 20 years then we wouldn't need to import even more low paid workers to care for the people who have arrived in that time.

Bullseye.

Not only that, the number of dependents far outweighs the extra staff that need employing, hence why our healthcare system is absolutely shocking.

And no, it's not due to lack of funds, not when you've got roles like 'Diversity Officer', for which some are paid over £100k a year.

[goose]

'However those migrant low skilled workers tend to be the ones that are orderlies, nurses, nursing assistans and porters in our hospitals'

Agreed but isn't this a circular argument?  The only reason we need more of the jobs listed is because we have over 10M people in this country who weren't born here, plus their dependants.  Had we had a sensible immigration policy over the last 20 years then we wouldn't need to import even more low paid workers to care for the people who have arrived in that time.

Exactly. 
We’re not swapping them for low skilled native workers here, you’re just adding to the tax burden with every person.

and let’s not pretend they’re all working in hospitals here. There’s almost 2m economically inactive.

[Cony Tottee]

'However those migrant low skilled workers tend to be the ones that are orderlies, nurses, nursing assistans and porters in our hospitals'

Agreed but isn't this a circular argument?  The only reason we need more of the jobs listed is because we have over 10M people in this country who weren't born here, plus their dependants.  Had we had a sensible immigration policy over the last 20 years then we wouldn't need to import even more low paid workers to care for the people who have arrived in that time.

[goose]

And how does that cost differ from the Low Skilled UK nationals children's health care and education exactly?

Carry on name calling when completely missing the point.. top work!

Again its clear from people's posts that its not the cost to the UK thats the issue its that they are immigrants.

How is it clear Billy? Nobody has said anything that isn’t factual about immigration and immigrants.

There are already low skilled workers in the UK, why would you choose to import more?

I was referring to Surfaces angry response but if the cap fits!!

Yep I agree and those low paid low skilled workers whether migrants or UK nationals are a drain.  However those migrant low skilled workers tend to be the ones that are orderlies, nurses, nursing assistans and porters in our hospitals because the UK low skilled dont want to do those jobs so we have to fill those employment gaps.

 

 

Pointing out that they have dependents who require health & education is fair comment I would say.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

It's not their education expense that's the issue, it's the education of their children, their children's healthcare and their own healthcare, you utter moron.

And how does that cost differ from the Low Skilled UK nationals children's health care and education exactly?

Carry on name calling when completely missing the point.. top work!

Again its clear from people's posts that its not the cost to the UK thats the issue its that they are immigrants.

How is it clear Billy? Nobody has said anything that isn’t factual about immigration and immigrants.

There are already low skilled workers in the UK, why would you choose to import more?

I was referring to Surfaces angry response but if the cap fits!!

Yep I agree and those low paid low skilled workers whether migrants or UK nationals are a drain.  However those migrant low skilled workers tend to be the ones that are orderlies, nurses, nursing assistans and porters in our hospitals because the UK low skilled dont want to do those jobs so we have to fill those employment gaps.

[goose]

 

Yes and if you read through it those are not actual costs they are predictions based on low skilled workers earning half the uk average.

However, migrants earning the average UK wage actually generate a bigger surplus than people born here, mainly because they have not incurred costs for education or healthcare in childhood. 

It's not their education expense that's the issue, it's the education of their children, their children's healthcare and their own healthcare, you utter moron.

And how does that cost differ from the Low Skilled UK nationals children's health care and education exactly?

Carry on name calling when completely missing the point.. top work!

Again its clear from people's posts that its not the cost to the UK thats the issue its that they are immigrants.

How is it clear Billy? Nobody has said anything that isn’t factual about immigration and immigrants.

There are already low skilled workers in the UK, why would you choose to import more?

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/0 ... nerations/

The Times

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/ar ... -252gxprv6

both are quite clear that the U.K. since 2020 has imported largely low skilled migrants and their dependents.

 

Yes and if you read through it those are not actual costs they are predictions based on low skilled workers earning half the uk average.

However, migrants earning the average UK wage actually generate a bigger surplus than people born here, mainly because they have not incurred costs for education or healthcare in childhood. 

It's not their education expense that's the issue, it's the education of their children, their children's healthcare and their own healthcare, you utter moron.

And how does that cost differ from the Low Skilled UK nationals children's health care and education exactly?

Carry on name calling when completely missing the point.. top work!

Again its clear from people's posts that its not the cost to the UK thats the issue its that they are immigrants.

[Lee Trundle]

What's the reasoning on Pickled posting under another username?

Did I miss something?