The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Hammer I am]

dressing like a chav was the least of his indiscretions. again, let's hope your bravery is still there when they ask you to fight for that little money laundering cսnt.

you left wing fuckers are beyond repair (there's plenty of right wingers too that support the money laundering bastard), the majority of europe's leaders are as bad as the communist running britain right now. what these davos filth are doing to their own countries and people. unlimited fighting age men arriving daily (put up in comfy hotels, while the indigenous homeless freeze on the streets) . unregulated price gouging by every supermarket, the most expensive fuel bills in europe. this country is beyond fucked, yet we've got halfwits like you that want these suicidal decisions to continue in funding an unwinnable war

you're beginning to sound like that flat earther Nutsin, clear the spittle from your mouth, the tears from your eyes, wring the piss from your knickers, and try and make an understandable point

[dealcanvey]

Mike

You ok? You have completely lost the plot.

You have somehow gone from discussing the Ukraine situation to managing to let everyone know you vote reform.

[Hammer I am]

All part of the plan from the start it seems. The reporter prodding Zelenksy about not wearing a suit was just to get the ball rolling.

It certainly makes Ukraines position even weaker. This will push Putin on. Europe will step up. 

It keeps the war going. None of this saves the lives that Trump is pretending to care about.



 

Trump only cares about ending this war, by whatever means.  He promised a rapid end to this war, and that appears is what he's trying to do.

A politician delivering on his promises really seems to wind people up.

Haha hilarious, "by whatever means", apart from any assurances of US aid should Russia break the ceasefire (again). Trump only cared about the $500 Billion and offered absolutely nothing in return, when he didn't get what he wanted he had his little tantrum, 

What are these means you speak of Trundle? 

[Takashi Miike]

dressing like a chav was the least of his indiscretions. again, let's hope your bravery is still there when they ask you to fight for that little money laundering cսnt.

you left wing fuckers are beyond repair (there's plenty of right wingers too that support the money laundering bastard), the majority of europe's leaders are as bad as the communist running britain right now. what these davos filth are doing to their own countries and people. unlimited fighting age men arriving daily (put up in comfy hotels, while the indigenous homeless freeze on the streets) . unregulated price gouging by every supermarket, the most expensive fuel bills in europe. this country is beyond fucked, yet we've got halfwits like you that want these suicidal decisions to continue in funding an unwinnable war

[dealcanvey]

I complely agree. Majority of military aid is used for defence purposes. Saving lives. Russias air attacks will ramp up now. this is about saving and making money to Trump not the saving of innocent lives as he likes to put it.

[Lee Trundle]

One is demanding billions of American tax payers dollars from Trump.

The other is saving billions of tax payers dollars for the Americans.

You don't see the difference there?

[dealcanvey]

Yh, clearly did not watch the full thing and neither did the majority of Europe's leaders who are standing by Zelensky.

Funny that Musk completely broke the white house dress code in a baseball cap and t shirt and no one gave a fuck.. Now it is the ultimate insult. I think it depends on who the person is rather than what that person is wearing.

[Takashi Miike]

All part of the plan from the start it seems. The reporter prodding Zelenksy about not wearing a suit was just to get the ball rolling.

It certainly makes Ukraines position even weaker. This will push Putin on. Europe will step up. 

It keeps the war going. None of this saves the lives that Trump is pretending to care about.



 

you clearly haven't watched the full meeting. he turned up looking like he was on a  shopping trip to JD Sports, he showed zero respect towards his hosts, multiple displays of anger (combined with constant sniffing), still had the begging bowl out despite what's probably close to half a trillion dollars (combined) given to the most corrupt country (bar the uk) on earth, and then had the temerity (while still on the ponce) to threaten america. again, you pro war cunts will be the first to shit your pants if they start conscripting you and your family to fight an unwinnable war, that no one wants other than trump derangement syndrome simpletons
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[Lee Trundle]

Is this the same Trump that said he could end the war in a day if he is elected President?

Give your head a wobble. This will be going on for 2025 atleast.

The only way this war goes on is if Europe prolongs it.

The only way Ukraine wins this war is if WW3 happens.

I hope neither happen.

[dealcanvey]

Is this the same Trump that said he could end the war in a day if he is elected President?

Give your head a wobble. This will be going on for 2025 atleast.

[Leavemyarcelona]

All those supporting Ukraine, you all going on the frontline?

[Lee Trundle]

All part of the plan from the start it seems. The reporter prodding Zelenksy about not wearing a suit was just to get the ball rolling.

It certainly makes Ukraines position even weaker. This will push Putin on. Europe will step up. 

It keeps the war going. None of this saves the lives that Trump is pretending to care about.


 

Trump only cares about ending this war, by whatever means.  He promised a rapid end to this war, and that appears is what he's trying to do.

A politician delivering on his promises really seems to wind people up.

[dealcanvey]

All part of the plan from the start it seems. The reporter prodding Zelenksy about not wearing a suit was just to get the ball rolling.

It certainly makes Ukraines position even weaker. This will push Putin on. Europe will step up. 

It keeps the war going. None of this saves the lives that Trump is pretending to care about.

 

[Nutsin]

Trump has stopped all aid to Ukraine.

 

[MaryMillingtonsGhost]

With the exception of Belarus, Georgia and Azerbaijan, all countries bordering Russia to their West are members of NATO.
Even Putin isn't thick enough to invade a NATO member.
So he chose an 'easy' non-NATO target, under the guise of 'protecting' Russias border from a NATO expansion
However by doing so the little runt now runs the risk of extending the Motherlands border (assuming the cսnt want's ALL of Ukraine under his yolk) with other NATO members. Hungary, Slovakia, Romania and Poland.
Sorry, I take back my original statement.
Putin must be at best thick as pigshit, at worst an egotistical warmongerer.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

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In the end he will stop killing Ukrainians and accept an imbedded US presence in country next to him. The reality is again he is in a stronger position.  

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the 3 day war to dispose the pro Western government has turned into 3 year one. Hundreds of thousands Russians dead. Estimated USD 750 million Russia have spent per day of the war. Kursk region invaded by Ukraine itself. Needing troops from North Korea to help try to dispose them. 6 months later they are still there.

Will have to make do without disposing a western leaning government and accept a US presence in Ukraine itself?

the reality of a stronger position? 


 

The 3 day war was actually a western claim. The same western media also call it a war of attrition, and suggest Putin doesn’t want a peace deal and wants to invade more of Europe.

The reality is after 3 years of Ukraine there doesn’t seem to be any actual sign of Russia invading anywhere else. And despite the sanctions Russia have become the largest economy in Europe.

Ukraine is bankrupt, don’t have the man power or weapons to make any impact in a counter even if the US continued to chuck money at it, and the Kursk invasion has been a dreadful decision.

NATO was never really an option, nor was EU membership for Ukraine, due to the widespread corruption that saw it deemed the second most corrupt European nation after Russia.

The whole thing has been utterly disastrous for the benefit of absolutely no-one.

[ironsofcanada]

"The deal has "security" in it a number of times in writing. If Zelensky wanted to try and sell that, he could.  He obviously doesn't want to. "

Let's hope the "security," is worth more than the security Ukraine was given when, it gave its nukes, back to Russia.

If you see the context of that, you will surmise that I agree with you.

That's why getting real American interests, with a supply line, people and money imbedded in Ukraine is the real security to me.

[Eerie Decent]

So Putin DEFINITELY WON'T use the mass of nuclear weapons at his disposal, but he DEFINITELY WILL try to take over the whole of Europe unless Trump threatens him.

I'm warming to this idea. Worth a gamble.

[Westside]

"The deal has "security" in it a number of times in writing. If Zelensky wanted to try and sell that, he could.  He obviously doesn't want to. "

Let's hope the "security," is worth more than the security Ukraine was given when, it gave its nukes, back to Russia.

[ironsofcanada]

the reality of a stronger position? 


 

We can count losses on both side, Russia will always have more in reserve, unless other countries put boots on the ground for the Ukraine.
It is selling its resources lots of places (even laundered into Canada), it not going run out of money like we hoped.
They have taken land the Ukraine has not.

If it really needed peace, the US would not be required to bring it to the table. 

That's the reality of it.

[dealcanvey]

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In the end he will stop killing Ukrainians and accept an imbedded US presence in country next to him. The reality is again he is in a stronger position.  

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the 3 day war to dispose the pro Western government has turned into 3 year one. Hundreds of thousands Russians dead. Estimated USD 750 million Russia have spent per day of the war. Kursk region invaded by Ukraine itself. Needing troops from North Korea to help try to dispose them. 6 months later they are still there.

Will have to make do without disposing a western leaning government and accept a US presence in Ukraine itself?

the reality of a stronger position? 

 

[honky cat]

As someone earlier said, the war was lost the day russia invaded. 

Russia will keep the land and the yanks will take the minerals. The EU/UK will fill their boots with  the rebuilding contracts and whatever is left.
He cant turn around and admit to his people its all been futile, so there'll be a bit of face saving and posturing before signing it all away 'with a heavy heart'.

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[ironsofcanada]

Yes to him its an "automatic guarantee" I see that - I've not disputed that. The problem is Zelensky doesn't see it - he can't go back to Ukraine having signed a peace deal with no security guarantees in writing. That is his position and I can understand why he is hesitant - he needs guarantees.

"If Trump is he is as strong as he says he should re-enforce it not backdown!" Hey its easy to give it all away to appease Putin it's tough trying to convince Putin to compromise.

What is Putin's compromise?

The deal has "security" in it a number of times in writing. If Zelensky wanted to try and sell that, he could.  He obviously doesn't want to. 

The deal guarantees in writing the US presence and interest in the area.   Again I think the actual mineral supply, money, people and politics of it are stronger guarantees.

"What is Putin's compromise?"
Putin will probably give up some what he has taken, minor bits.  Not the parts he made about "denazification" and "protecting Russian speakers," that would be very politically damaging. 
In the end he will stop killing Ukrainians and accept an imbedded US presence in a country next to him. The reality is again he is in a stronger position.  

[ironsofcanada]

The point is, you said that "Britain and its continental allies could have wiped the floor with what Germany had for a miltary."

 

 

Did you realise your mistake with your post after? - fair enough. 

Please read what I said, in '35, 36' or even 38' they would have wiped the floor with the German military.

Not in Dunkirk - 1940. 


For instance, a couple of the important tanks they used to drive the Allies to Dunkirk were Panzer 35(t) and 38(t)  - orginally the Czech LTvz. 35 and 38.  -  Better than their Panzer I and IIs.  They picked those up in '38 (Munich agreement) and the early 39' full annexation.  Both examples of appeasement. 

[ironsofcanada]

Ofcourse Zelensky should be making demands. It’s his country that will be the centre of any peace negotiations. Even if the demands are near impossible .

 

 

I guess there's the rub.

If the demands are "near impossible"  then insisting on them make it nearly impossible to stop people dying in a war.

There is a perfect world and the world we live in.