The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[goose]

Yeah I understand Taiwan and So Korea can give us what we need. China is the much bigger loser here.

Other 75% can be produced here in the USA, or Taiwan, So Korea or Japan can help bridge the gap. 3 staunch allies I’m sure would be happy for the extra GDP. 

What’s China gonna do? That is the question.

All those poor people with no savings and no social backdrop to support them on their hour of need. There are no Dole offices out there. They could always eat insects I suppose.

No 75% cannot.
completely ignoring the role China plays in packaging & assembly, and the lack of US capacity & capability, what do you suppose these chips are made from?

The REEs needed to make them come almost exclusively from China. About 70 to 80% of global supply of gallium and germanium is Chinese.

The U.S. has limited domestic production of gallium and germanium and relies heavily on imports, with China supplying about 95% of its gallium and over 50% of its germanium. However, alternate supply options exist:

1. **Domestic Sources**: The U.S. has gallium and germanium deposits, but mining is minimal. Potential sites include Sheep Creek in Montana, Round Top in Texas, and zinc deposits in Washington, Alaska, and Tennessee for germanium. The Apex mine in Utah produced both metals in the 1980s but is closed. Restarting or expanding domestic mining is possible but faces environmental and economic hurdles.

2. **Allied Countries**: 
   - **Canada**: Teck Resources in British Columbia is North America’s largest germanium producer, extracting it from zinc refining. Canada also produces gallium at high purity through companies like 5NPlus.
   - **Australia**: Gallium and germanium can be recovered as byproducts from zinc and alumina refineries, though production is limited.
   - **Japan, South Korea, and Germany**: These countries produce gallium (Japan, South Korea, Russia) and germanium (Belgium, Finland, Russia), offering potential import sources.
   - **Belgium**: Umicore produces both metals, and Belgium has seen a 224% increase in Chinese germanium exports (2022–2024), some of which may be reexported to the U.S.

3. **Recycling**: Secondary sources, like recycling e-waste, could supply up to 10% of gallium and 30% of germanium globally, though U.S. infrastructure for this is underdeveloped.

4. **Stockpiles**: The U.S. Department of Defense holds a germanium stockpile but none for gallium, providing a temporary buffer.

5. **Substitutes**: Silicon can replace gallium in low-end applications (e.g., automotive chips) and germanium in some electronics, but performance suffers, especially in advanced tech like military systems or satellites.

Despite China’s 2023 export controls and 2024 ban on gallium and germanium to the U.S., trade data shows these metals still reach the U.S. via third countries like Belgium. However, if China tightens restrictions on these indirect routes, supply disruptions could cost the U.S. economy $3.4 billion in GDP, per USGS estimates. Diversifying supply chains through allied production, domestic mining, and recycling is critical, but scaling these alternatives will take time and investment.(https://www.stimson.org/2025/chinas-ger ... ed-states/)(https://www.usgs.gov/news/national-news ... orts-could)

(https://unu.edu/merit/article/china-has ... on-limited)



A whopping $3.4 billion. How will the US economy manage? Ffs!

The US, or the rest of the world simply cannot make semiconductors without China, and if you knew what you were c&p about you’d know that processing & refinement of those elements is the key. China controls about 85% of global capacity.

You said China cannot live without American chips, when the reality is that nobody can make them without China.

[Nutsin]

 

Looks like you don’t understand the global supply chain of semiconductors.

btw to your earlier point of only replacing 25% of Chinese imports - what happens to the other 75%?

Yeah I understand Taiwan and So Korea can give us what we need. China is the much bigger loser here.

Other 75% can be produced here in the USA, or Taiwan, So Korea or Japan can help bridge the gap. 3 staunch allies I’m sure would be happy for the extra GDP. 

What’s China gonna do? That is the question.

All those poor people with no savings and no social backdrop to support them on their hour of need. There are no Dole offices out there. They could always eat insects I suppose.

No 75% cannot.
completely ignoring the role China plays in packaging & assembly, and the lack of US capacity & capability, what do you suppose these chips are made from?

The REEs needed to make them come almost exclusively from China. About 70 to 80% of global supply of gallium and germanium is Chinese.

The U.S. has limited domestic production of gallium and germanium and relies heavily on imports, with China supplying about 95% of its gallium and over 50% of its germanium. However, alternate supply options exist:

1. **Domestic Sources**: The U.S. has gallium and germanium deposits, but mining is minimal. Potential sites include Sheep Creek in Montana, Round Top in Texas, and zinc deposits in Washington, Alaska, and Tennessee for germanium. The Apex mine in Utah produced both metals in the 1980s but is closed. Restarting or expanding domestic mining is possible but faces environmental and economic hurdles.

2. **Allied Countries**: 
   - **Canada**: Teck Resources in British Columbia is North America’s largest germanium producer, extracting it from zinc refining. Canada also produces gallium at high purity through companies like 5NPlus.
   - **Australia**: Gallium and germanium can be recovered as byproducts from zinc and alumina refineries, though production is limited.
   - **Japan, South Korea, and Germany**: These countries produce gallium (Japan, South Korea, Russia) and germanium (Belgium, Finland, Russia), offering potential import sources.
   - **Belgium**: Umicore produces both metals, and Belgium has seen a 224% increase in Chinese germanium exports (2022–2024), some of which may be reexported to the U.S.

3. **Recycling**: Secondary sources, like recycling e-waste, could supply up to 10% of gallium and 30% of germanium globally, though U.S. infrastructure for this is underdeveloped.

4. **Stockpiles**: The U.S. Department of Defense holds a germanium stockpile but none for gallium, providing a temporary buffer.

5. **Substitutes**: Silicon can replace gallium in low-end applications (e.g., automotive chips) and germanium in some electronics, but performance suffers, especially in advanced tech like military systems or satellites.

Despite China’s 2023 export controls and 2024 ban on gallium and germanium to the U.S., trade data shows these metals still reach the U.S. via third countries like Belgium. However, if China tightens restrictions on these indirect routes, supply disruptions could cost the U.S. economy $3.4 billion in GDP, per USGS estimates. Diversifying supply chains through allied production, domestic mining, and recycling is critical, but scaling these alternatives will take time and investment.[](https://www.stimson.org/2025/chinas-ger ... ed-states/)[](https://www.usgs.gov/news/national-news ... orts-could)[]

(https://unu.edu/merit/article/china-has ... on-limited)



A whopping $3.4 billion. How will the US economy manage? Ffs!

[goose]

Looks like China isn’t a factor old boy! Taiwan and S Korea aren’t going anywhere. Wrong again?

U.S. microchips are primarily designed and manufactured by a mix of American companies and foreign manufacturers with strong U.S. ties. Key players include:

- **Design and IP**: 
  - **Nvidia**: Leading in GPUs for AI, gaming, and data centers.
  - **AMD**: Produces CPUs, GPUs, and server chips.
  - **Intel**: Designs CPUs, server chips, and some AI accelerators; also manufactures chips.
  - **Qualcomm**: Specializes in mobile and IoT chips.
  - **Apple**: Designs custom chips (e.g., M-series, A-series) for its devices.
  - **Broadcom**: Focuses on networking and connectivity chips.

- **Manufacturing (Foundries)**:
  - **Intel**: One of the few U.S. companies with domestic foundries, producing chips in Arizona, Oregon, and New Mexico.
  - **GlobalFoundries**: U.S.-based, with fabs in New York and Vermont, focusing on mature nodes (not cutting-edge).
  - **TSMC (Taiwan)**: Not U.S.-based but critical for U.S. chipmakers (e.g., Nvidia, AMD, Apple), with new U.S. fabs under construction in Arizona.
  - **Samsung (South Korea)**: Manufactures some chips for U.S. firms, with a growing U.S. presence (e.g., Texas fab).

- **Equipment and Tools**:
  - **Applied Materials**, **Lam Research**, **KLA**: U.S. firms supplying critical chipmaking equipment.
  - **Cadence**, **Synopsys**: Provide essential chip design software.

Most advanced U.S.-designed chips (e.g., Nvidia’s H100) rely on TSMC for manufacturing due to its cutting-edge processes (3nm, 5nm). The U.S. is investing heavily via the CHIPS Act to boost domestic production, but currently, only about 10% of global chip manufacturing happens in the U.S.

If you want specifics on a company or recent developments, I can search X or the web. Interested?

 

Looks like you don’t understand the global supply chain of semiconductors.

btw to your earlier point of only replacing 25% of Chinese imports - what happens to the other 75%?

Yeah I understand Taiwan and So Korea can give us what we need. China is the much bigger loser here.

Other 75% can be produced here in the USA, or Taiwan, So Korea or Japan can help bridge the gap. 3 staunch allies I’m sure would be happy for the extra GDP. 

What’s China gonna do? That is the question.

All those poor people with no savings and no social backdrop to support them on their hour of need. There are no Dole offices out there. They could always eat insects I suppose.

No 75% cannot.
completely ignoring the role China plays in packaging & assembly, and the lack of US capacity & capability, what do you suppose these chips are made from?

The REEs needed to make them come almost exclusively from China. About 70 to 80% of global supply of gallium and germanium is Chinese.

[Nutsin]

No, let’s see how America gets on without microchips. Your production and retail sales of thousands of products would grind to a halt overnight.

thats without considering the trade that goes the other direction for Intel, Qualcomm etc etc.

Looks like China isn’t a factor old boy! Taiwan and S Korea aren’t going anywhere. Wrong again?

U.S. microchips are primarily designed and manufactured by a mix of American companies and foreign manufacturers with strong U.S. ties. Key players include:

- **Design and IP**: 
  - **Nvidia**: Leading in GPUs for AI, gaming, and data centers.
  - **AMD**: Produces CPUs, GPUs, and server chips.
  - **Intel**: Designs CPUs, server chips, and some AI accelerators; also manufactures chips.
  - **Qualcomm**: Specializes in mobile and IoT chips.
  - **Apple**: Designs custom chips (e.g., M-series, A-series) for its devices.
  - **Broadcom**: Focuses on networking and connectivity chips.

- **Manufacturing (Foundries)**:
  - **Intel**: One of the few U.S. companies with domestic foundries, producing chips in Arizona, Oregon, and New Mexico.
  - **GlobalFoundries**: U.S.-based, with fabs in New York and Vermont, focusing on mature nodes (not cutting-edge).
  - **TSMC (Taiwan)**: Not U.S.-based but critical for U.S. chipmakers (e.g., Nvidia, AMD, Apple), with new U.S. fabs under construction in Arizona.
  - **Samsung (South Korea)**: Manufactures some chips for U.S. firms, with a growing U.S. presence (e.g., Texas fab).

- **Equipment and Tools**:
  - **Applied Materials**, **Lam Research**, **KLA**: U.S. firms supplying critical chipmaking equipment.
  - **Cadence**, **Synopsys**: Provide essential chip design software.

Most advanced U.S.-designed chips (e.g., Nvidia’s H100) rely on TSMC for manufacturing due to its cutting-edge processes (3nm, 5nm). The U.S. is investing heavily via the CHIPS Act to boost domestic production, but currently, only about 10% of global chip manufacturing happens in the U.S.

If you want specifics on a company or recent developments, I can search X or the web. Interested?

 

Looks like you don’t understand the global supply chain of semiconductors.

btw to your earlier point of only replacing 25% of Chinese imports - what happens to the other 75%?

Yeah I understand Taiwan and So Korea can give us what we need. China is the much bigger loser here.

Other 75% can be produced here in the USA, or Taiwan, So Korea or Japan can help bridge the gap. 3 staunch allies I’m sure would be happy for the extra GDP. 

What’s China gonna do? That is the question.

All those poor people with no savings and no social backdrop to support them on their hour of need. There are no Dole offices out there. They could always eat insects I suppose.

[goose]

 

Lying again? where did I say that America can replace every Chinese product? If they replace just 25% the Chinese will shit themselves. 

Let’s see how long they will last without our advanced micro chips….. My guess is it’s not too long.

Then there is the huge trade imbalance in their favour that they will lose too.

Agreements for Trillions in new investments in US production from various countries and companies have already been struck so it’s already happening.


MAGA!

No, let’s see how America gets on without microchips. Your production and retail sales of thousands of products would grind to a halt overnight.

thats without considering the trade that goes the other direction for Intel, Qualcomm etc etc.

Looks like China isn’t a factor old boy! Taiwan and S Korea aren’t going anywhere. Wrong again?

U.S. microchips are primarily designed and manufactured by a mix of American companies and foreign manufacturers with strong U.S. ties. Key players include:

- **Design and IP**: 
  - **Nvidia**: Leading in GPUs for AI, gaming, and data centers.
  - **AMD**: Produces CPUs, GPUs, and server chips.
  - **Intel**: Designs CPUs, server chips, and some AI accelerators; also manufactures chips.
  - **Qualcomm**: Specializes in mobile and IoT chips.
  - **Apple**: Designs custom chips (e.g., M-series, A-series) for its devices.
  - **Broadcom**: Focuses on networking and connectivity chips.

- **Manufacturing (Foundries)**:
  - **Intel**: One of the few U.S. companies with domestic foundries, producing chips in Arizona, Oregon, and New Mexico.
  - **GlobalFoundries**: U.S.-based, with fabs in New York and Vermont, focusing on mature nodes (not cutting-edge).
  - **TSMC (Taiwan)**: Not U.S.-based but critical for U.S. chipmakers (e.g., Nvidia, AMD, Apple), with new U.S. fabs under construction in Arizona.
  - **Samsung (South Korea)**: Manufactures some chips for U.S. firms, with a growing U.S. presence (e.g., Texas fab).

- **Equipment and Tools**:
  - **Applied Materials**, **Lam Research**, **KLA**: U.S. firms supplying critical chipmaking equipment.
  - **Cadence**, **Synopsys**: Provide essential chip design software.

Most advanced U.S.-designed chips (e.g., Nvidia’s H100) rely on TSMC for manufacturing due to its cutting-edge processes (3nm, 5nm). The U.S. is investing heavily via the CHIPS Act to boost domestic production, but currently, only about 10% of global chip manufacturing happens in the U.S.

If you want specifics on a company or recent developments, I can search X or the web. Interested?

 

 

Looks like you don’t understand the global supply chain of semiconductors.

btw to your earlier point of only replacing 25% of Chinese imports - what happens to the other 75%?

[Nutsin]

Because it’s a very simplistic view of markets.
Firstly you’re assuming that American can replace every Chinese product, component & raw materials. It cannot, and where it can the US alternative is more than 100% more expensive. Hence why they are using China.

For components & raw materials the retail market isn’t growing. The make up of the product is. There’s no additional market share up for grabs there, just higher cost of goods.

For Chinese completed products going straight to market you’re assuming that America has a ready made alternative, in many cases it doesn’t. Otherwise you assume that the American version will be cheaper even with tariffs, and in most cases it won’t.

This is completely ignoring every other country on the planet who can produce these products (cheaper than the US) who can & will enter the market.

 

Lying again? where did I say that America can replace every Chinese product? If they replace just 25% the Chinese will shit themselves. 

Let’s see how long they will last without our advanced micro chips….. My guess is it’s not too long.

Then there is the huge trade imbalance in their favour that they will lose too.

Agreements for Trillions in new investments in US production from various countries and companies have already been struck so it’s already happening.


MAGA!

No, let’s see how America gets on without microchips. Your production and retail sales of thousands of products would grind to a halt overnight.

thats without considering the trade that goes the other direction for Intel, Qualcomm etc etc.

Looks like China isn’t a factor old boy! Taiwan and S Korea aren’t going anywhere. Wrong again?

U.S. microchips are primarily designed and manufactured by a mix of American companies and foreign manufacturers with strong U.S. ties. Key players include:

- **Design and IP**: 
  - **Nvidia**: Leading in GPUs for AI, gaming, and data centers.
  - **AMD**: Produces CPUs, GPUs, and server chips.
  - **Intel**: Designs CPUs, server chips, and some AI accelerators; also manufactures chips.
  - **Qualcomm**: Specializes in mobile and IoT chips.
  - **Apple**: Designs custom chips (e.g., M-series, A-series) for its devices.
  - **Broadcom**: Focuses on networking and connectivity chips.

- **Manufacturing (Foundries)**:
  - **Intel**: One of the few U.S. companies with domestic foundries, producing chips in Arizona, Oregon, and New Mexico.
  - **GlobalFoundries**: U.S.-based, with fabs in New York and Vermont, focusing on mature nodes (not cutting-edge).
  - **TSMC (Taiwan)**: Not U.S.-based but critical for U.S. chipmakers (e.g., Nvidia, AMD, Apple), with new U.S. fabs under construction in Arizona.
  - **Samsung (South Korea)**: Manufactures some chips for U.S. firms, with a growing U.S. presence (e.g., Texas fab).

- **Equipment and Tools**:
  - **Applied Materials**, **Lam Research**, **KLA**: U.S. firms supplying critical chipmaking equipment.
  - **Cadence**, **Synopsys**: Provide essential chip design software.

Most advanced U.S.-designed chips (e.g., Nvidia’s H100) rely on TSMC for manufacturing due to its cutting-edge processes (3nm, 5nm). The U.S. is investing heavily via the CHIPS Act to boost domestic production, but currently, only about 10% of global chip manufacturing happens in the U.S.

If you want specifics on a company or recent developments, I can search X or the web. Interested?

[Hammer I am]

Let’s see how long they will last without our advanced micro chips….. My guess is it’s not too long.



MAGA!

They'd just back engineer them like everything else

[goose]

Why would it be less profit if they have a bigger slice of the pie (market share) and how will they mark up their prices if it’s a competitive market?

Because it’s a very simplistic view of markets.
Firstly you’re assuming that American can replace every Chinese product, component & raw materials. It cannot, and where it can the US alternative is more than 100% more expensive. Hence why they are using China.

For components & raw materials the retail market isn’t growing. The make up of the product is. There’s no additional market share up for grabs there, just higher cost of goods.

For Chinese completed products going straight to market you’re assuming that America has a ready made alternative, in many cases it doesn’t. Otherwise you assume that the American version will be cheaper even with tariffs, and in most cases it won’t.

This is completely ignoring every other country on the planet who can produce these products (cheaper than the US) who can & will enter the market.

 

Lying again? where did I say that America can replace every Chinese product? If they replace just 25% the Chinese will shit themselves. 

Let’s see how long they will last without our advanced micro chips….. My guess is it’s not too long.

Then there is the huge trade imbalance in their favour that they will lose too.

Agreements for Trillions in new investments in US production from various countries and companies have already been struck so it’s already happening.


MAGA!

No, let’s see how America gets on without microchips. Your production and retail sales of thousands of products would grind to a halt overnight.

thats without considering the trade that goes the other direction for Intel, Qualcomm etc etc.

[Nutsin]

No business is going to just shrug and settle for less profit. Short term they’ll pass it on to consumers and longer term they’ll lobby to have the tariffs reversed.

US is decades away from being able to walk away from Chinese imports. And to get there will cost billions in investment to then produce more expensive products.

It will never be delivered. Mid terms, next election will see it reversed.

and there’s a good reason people don’t buy American cars & food……… and the answer is not tariffs.

Why would it be less profit if they have a bigger slice of the pie (market share) and how will they mark up their prices if it’s a competitive market?

Because it’s a very simplistic view of markets.
Firstly you’re assuming that American can replace every Chinese product, component & raw materials. It cannot, and where it can the US alternative is more than 100% more expensive. Hence why they are using China.

For components & raw materials the retail market isn’t growing. The make up of the product is. There’s no additional market share up for grabs there, just higher cost of goods.

For Chinese completed products going straight to market you’re assuming that America has a ready made alternative, in many cases it doesn’t. Otherwise you assume that the American version will be cheaper even with tariffs, and in most cases it won’t.

This is completely ignoring every other country on the planet who can produce these products (cheaper than the US) who can & will enter the market.

 

 

Lying again? where did I say that America can replace every Chinese product? If they replace just 25% the Chinese will shit themselves. 

Let’s see how long they will last without our advanced micro chips….. My guess is it’s not too long.

Then there is the huge trade imbalance in their favour that they will lose too.

Agreements for Trillions in new investments in US production from various countries and companies have already been struck so it’s already happening.


MAGA!

[Nutsin]

Agreed neither the EU nor the UK will take your bleached chicken or your shit gas guzzling cars why do you think Asian and European cars are so popular its not just the price.

If you are not importing cheap goods from China where are you going to get them from. You cant make them in the US so either you carry on importing or prices will rocket.

Its just common sense. 

What the US need is a long term strategy and Im not sure the Tarrif hokey cokey is the way to achieve it. Try making stuff people actually want. Tech and AI is surely what the US is good at why try to bring back an era of manufacturing when others will always do it cheaper and better that is what a global economy is for! Trump just got to stop harking backwards and look forwards. Focus on the areas that count and apply tarrifs specifically to those instead of this ridiculous blanket approach.

The services the US provides and exports virtually levels off the deficit with the EU so why pretend its all about agriculture and manufacturing? 

What world do you live in ffs! 

we have plenty of Mercedes and BMW’s, VW etc: out here and they get just a many mpg as a Cadillac, Ford and GMC and Chevy. Oh and they’re the same size too.

As for Pick up trucks there are plenty of short bed trucks available although there are some bigger ones too but all of them are smaller than a fucking Lorry ffs! Think of a !
BMW X5 for example.
 So stop talking bollocks!

And there are plenty of other countries we can get product from.

As for food I’m pretty fucking sure we have the technology to produce food to meet your standards. 

What a bunch of fuckwits.

 

Oh here’s Nutsack making out American cars are as good as BMWs and VWs what utter bollocks! Yeah dream on. If that was the case how do any VWs get sold in America?

Why would we want your trucks however big or small they are. To ship them all the way over here when we have home built and Europe built on our doorstep! When exactly in any time in the past has Europe bought American cars or trucks in any sort of volume. Answer they havent and its not because of any tarrifs.

When you and you MAGA muppets start realising that US goods arent all that you'll concentrate on what you are actually good at, although even that might be difficult now youve pissed all your potential markets off!!

You have no idea what you are talking about. 

[BillyJenningsBoots]

No business is going to just shrug and settle for less profit. Short term they’ll pass it on to consumers and longer term they’ll lobby to have the tariffs reversed.

US is decades away from being able to walk away from Chinese imports. And to get there will cost billions in investment to then produce more expensive products.

It will never be delivered. Mid terms, next election will see it reversed.

and there’s a good reason people don’t buy American cars & food……… and the answer is not tariffs.

Agreed neither the EU nor the UK will take your bleached chicken or your shit gas guzzling cars why do you think Asian and European cars are so popular its not just the price.

If you are not importing cheap goods from China where are you going to get them from. You cant make them in the US so either you carry on importing or prices will rocket.

Its just common sense. 

What the US need is a long term strategy and Im not sure the Tarrif hokey cokey is the way to achieve it. Try making stuff people actually want. Tech and AI is surely what the US is good at why try to bring back an era of manufacturing when others will always do it cheaper and better that is what a global economy is for! Trump just got to stop harking backwards and look forwards. Focus on the areas that count and apply tarrifs specifically to those instead of this ridiculous blanket approach.

The services the US provides and exports virtually levels off the deficit with the EU so why pretend its all about agriculture and manufacturing? 

What world do you live in ffs! 

we have plenty of Mercedes and BMW’s, VW etc: out here and they get just a many mpg as a Cadillac, Ford and GMC and Chevy. Oh and they’re the same size too.

As for Pick up trucks there are plenty of short bed trucks available although there are some bigger ones too but all of them are smaller than a fucking Lorry ffs! Think of a !
BMW X5 for example.
 So stop talking bollocks!

And there are plenty of other countries we can get product from.

As for food I’m pretty fucking sure we have the technology to produce food to meet your standards. 

What a bunch of fuckwits.

 

 

Oh here’s Nutsack making out American cars are as good as BMWs and VWs what utter bollocks! Yeah dream on. If that was the case how do any VWs get sold in America?

Why would we want your trucks however big or small they are. To ship them all the way over here when we have home built and Europe built on our doorstep! When exactly in any time in the past has Europe bought American cars or trucks in any sort of volume. Answer they havent and its not because of any tarrifs.

When you and you MAGA muppets start realising that US goods arent all that you'll concentrate on what you are actually good at, although even that might be difficult now youve pissed all your potential markets off!!

[goose]

I think the USA can increase trade with Mexico, which will help our southern neighbours pull more people out of poverty. Much rather a wealthier Mexico than a wealthier China. Same with the Canadiens, India and Vietnam too.

A free and fair trade market will help prevent the corporations from passing the cost onto the consumer due to increased competition, the shareholders will give up a portion of their profits by percentage but will have a bigger pie to make up for it. So it’s a win win.

Trump already issued a warning to US car manufacturers not to take the piss and increase prices. So he is watching it, I’m sure the Unions will be too.

Trumps tax cuts will help too.

And NOBODY has said this will all happen over night but that is where global trade is heading. The EU will remove its trade barriers and Tarrifs, as will others and you will see more American made products globally which includes Europe so look for USA Trucks and Cars.
on the road and US agriculture on your shelves. And the USA will not be beholden to China.

The US consumer is not easily replaced, China’s production is.










 

No business is going to just shrug and settle for less profit. Short term they’ll pass it on to consumers and longer term they’ll lobby to have the tariffs reversed.

US is decades away from being able to walk away from Chinese imports. And to get there will cost billions in investment to then produce more expensive products.

It will never be delivered. Mid terms, next election will see it reversed.

and there’s a good reason people don’t buy American cars & food……… and the answer is not tariffs.

Why would it be less profit if they have a bigger slice of the pie (market share) and how will they mark up their prices if it’s a competitive market?

Because it’s a very simplistic view of markets.
Firstly you’re assuming that American can replace every Chinese product, component & raw materials. It cannot, and where it can the US alternative is more than 100% more expensive. Hence why they are using China.

For components & raw materials the retail market isn’t growing. The make up of the product is. There’s no additional market share up for grabs there, just higher cost of goods.

For Chinese completed products going straight to market you’re assuming that America has a ready made alternative, in many cases it doesn’t. Otherwise you assume that the American version will be cheaper even with tariffs, and in most cases it won’t.

This is completely ignoring every other country on the planet who can produce these products (cheaper than the US) who can & will enter the market.

[Nutsin]

I think the USA can increase trade with Mexico, which will help our southern neighbours pull more people out of poverty. Much rather a wealthier Mexico than a wealthier China. Same with the Canadiens, India and Vietnam too.

A free and fair trade market will help prevent the corporations from passing the cost onto the consumer due to increased competition, the shareholders will give up a portion of their profits by percentage but will have a bigger pie to make up for it. So it’s a win win.

Trump already issued a warning to US car manufacturers not to take the piss and increase prices. So he is watching it, I’m sure the Unions will be too.

Trumps tax cuts will help too.

And NOBODY has said this will all happen over night but that is where global trade is heading. The EU will remove its trade barriers and Tarrifs, as will others and you will see more American made products globally which includes Europe so look for USA Trucks and Cars.
on the road and US agriculture on your shelves. And the USA will not be beholden to China.

The US consumer is not easily replaced, China’s production is.









 

No business is going to just shrug and settle for less profit. Short term they’ll pass it on to consumers and longer term they’ll lobby to have the tariffs reversed.

US is decades away from being able to walk away from Chinese imports. And to get there will cost billions in investment to then produce more expensive products.

It will never be delivered. Mid terms, next election will see it reversed.

and there’s a good reason people don’t buy American cars & food……… and the answer is not tariffs.

Why would it be less profit if they have a bigger slice of the pie (market share) and how will they mark up their prices if it’s a competitive market?

[Nutsin]

I think the USA can increase trade with Mexico, which will help our southern neighbours pull more people out of poverty. Much rather a wealthier Mexico than a wealthier China. Same with the Canadiens, India and Vietnam too.

A free and fair trade market will help prevent the corporations from passing the cost onto the consumer due to increased competition, the shareholders will give up a portion of their profits by percentage but will have a bigger pie to make up for it. So it’s a win win.

Trump already issued a warning to US car manufacturers not to take the piss and increase prices. So he is watching it, I’m sure the Unions will be too.

Trumps tax cuts will help too.

And NOBODY has said this will all happen over night but that is where global trade is heading. The EU will remove its trade barriers and Tarrifs, as will others and you will see more American made products globally which includes Europe so look for USA Trucks and Cars.
on the road and US agriculture on your shelves. And the USA will not be beholden to China.

The US consumer is not easily replaced, China’s production is.










 

No business is going to just shrug and settle for less profit. Short term they’ll pass it on to consumers and longer term they’ll lobby to have the tariffs reversed.

US is decades away from being able to walk away from Chinese imports. And to get there will cost billions in investment to then produce more expensive products.

It will never be delivered. Mid terms, next election will see it reversed.

and there’s a good reason people don’t buy American cars & food……… and the answer is not tariffs.

Agreed neither the EU nor the UK will take your bleached chicken or your shit gas guzzling cars why do you think Asian and European cars are so popular its not just the price.

If you are not importing cheap goods from China where are you going to get them from. You cant make them in the US so either you carry on importing or prices will rocket.

Its just common sense. 

What the US need is a long term strategy and Im not sure the Tarrif hokey cokey is the way to achieve it. Try making stuff people actually want. Tech and AI is surely what the US is good at why try to bring back an era of manufacturing when others will always do it cheaper and better that is what a global economy is for! Trump just got to stop harking backwards and look forwards. Focus on the areas that count and apply tarrifs specifically to those instead of this ridiculous blanket approach.

The services the US provides and exports virtually levels off the deficit with the EU so why pretend its all about agriculture and manufacturing? 

What world do you live in ffs! 

we have plenty of Mercedes and BMW’s, VW etc: out here and they get just a many mpg as a Cadillac, Ford and GMC and Chevy. Oh and they’re the same size too.

As for Pick up trucks there are plenty of short bed trucks available although there are some bigger ones too but all of them are smaller than a fucking Lorry ffs! Think of a !
BMW X5 for example.
 So stop talking bollocks!

And there are plenty of other countries we can get product from.

As for food I’m pretty fucking sure we have the technology to produce food to meet your standards. 

What a bunch of fuckwits.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

I think the USA can increase trade with Mexico, which will help our southern neighbours pull more people out of poverty. Much rather a wealthier Mexico than a wealthier China. Same with the Canadiens, India and Vietnam too.

A free and fair trade market will help prevent the corporations from passing the cost onto the consumer due to increased competition, the shareholders will give up a portion of their profits by percentage but will have a bigger pie to make up for it. So it’s a win win.

Trump already issued a warning to US car manufacturers not to take the piss and increase prices. So he is watching it, I’m sure the Unions will be too.

Trumps tax cuts will help too.

And NOBODY has said this will all happen over night but that is where global trade is heading. The EU will remove its trade barriers and Tarrifs, as will others and you will see more American made products globally which includes Europe so look for USA Trucks and Cars.
on the road and US agriculture on your shelves. And the USA will not be beholden to China.

The US consumer is not easily replaced, China’s production is.









 

No business is going to just shrug and settle for less profit. Short term they’ll pass it on to consumers and longer term they’ll lobby to have the tariffs reversed.

US is decades away from being able to walk away from Chinese imports. And to get there will cost billions in investment to then produce more expensive products.

It will never be delivered. Mid terms, next election will see it reversed.

and there’s a good reason people don’t buy American cars & food……… and the answer is not tariffs.

Agreed neither the EU nor the UK will take your bleached chicken or your shit gas guzzling cars why do you think Asian and European cars are so popular its not just the price.

If you are not importing cheap goods from China where are you going to get them from. You cant make them in the US so either you carry on importing or prices will rocket.

Its just common sense. 

What the US need is a long term strategy and Im not sure the Tarrif hokey cokey is the way to achieve it. Try making stuff people actually want. Tech and AI is surely what the US is good at why try to bring back an era of manufacturing when others will always do it cheaper and better that is what a global economy is for! Trump just got to stop harking backwards and look forwards. Focus on the areas that count and apply tarrifs specifically to those instead of this ridiculous blanket approach.

The services the US provides and exports virtually levels off the deficit with the EU so why pretend its all about agriculture and manufacturing? 

[goose]

I think the USA can increase trade with Mexico, which will help our southern neighbours pull more people out of poverty. Much rather a wealthier Mexico than a wealthier China. Same with the Canadiens, India and Vietnam too.

A free and fair trade market will help prevent the corporations from passing the cost onto the consumer due to increased competition, the shareholders will give up a portion of their profits by percentage but will have a bigger pie to make up for it. So it’s a win win.

Trump already issued a warning to US car manufacturers not to take the piss and increase prices. So he is watching it, I’m sure the Unions will be too.

Trumps tax cuts will help too.

And NOBODY has said this will all happen over night but that is where global trade is heading. The EU will remove its trade barriers and Tarrifs, as will others and you will see more American made products globally which includes Europe so look for USA Trucks and Cars.
on the road and US agriculture on your shelves. And the USA will not be beholden to China.

The US consumer is not easily replaced, China’s production is.








 

No business is going to just shrug and settle for less profit. Short term they’ll pass it on to consumers and longer term they’ll lobby to have the tariffs reversed.

US is decades away from being able to walk away from Chinese imports. And to get there will cost billions in investment to then produce more expensive products.

It will never be delivered. Mid terms, next election will see it reversed.

and there’s a good reason people don’t buy American cars & food……… and the answer is not tariffs.

[zebthecat]

Many US trucks, in particular, would not pass Eurpean or UK safety standards either.
Being huge, thirsty and crap doesn't help either.

[Hammer I am]

I think the USA can increase trade with Mexico, which will help our southern neighbours pull more people out of poverty. Much rather a wealthier Mexico than a wealthier China. Same with the Canadiens, India and Vietnam too.

A free and fair trade market will help prevent the corporations from passing the cost onto the consumer due to increased competition, the shareholders will give up a portion of their profits by percentage but will have a bigger pie to make up for it. So it’s a win win.

Trump already issued a warning to US car manufacturers not to take the piss and increase prices. So he is watching it, I’m sure the Unions will be too.

Trumps tax cuts will help too.

And NOBODY has said this will all happen over night but that is where global trade is heading. The EU will remove its trade barriers and Tarrifs, as will others and you will see more American made products globally which includes Europe so look for USA Trucks and Cars.
on the road and US agriculture on your shelves. And the USA will not be beholden to China.

The US consumer is not easily replaced, China’s production is.





 

many US cars are just not compatible with British roads, and many US food products are not compatible with health, so I can't imagine much will change there

[Nutsin]

I think the USA can increase trade with Mexico, which will help our southern neighbours pull more people out of poverty. Much rather a wealthier Mexico than a wealthier China. Same with the Canadiens, India and Vietnam too.

A free and fair trade market will help prevent the corporations from passing the cost onto the consumer due to increased competition, the shareholders will give up a portion of their profits by percentage but will have a bigger pie to make up for it. So it’s a win win.

Trump already issued a warning to US car manufacturers not to take the piss and increase prices. So he is watching it, I’m sure the Unions will be too.

Trumps tax cuts will help too.

And NOBODY has said this will all happen over night but that is where global trade is heading. The EU will remove its trade barriers and Tarrifs, as will others and you will see more American made products globally which includes Europe so look for USA Trucks and Cars.
on the road and US agriculture on your shelves. And the USA will not be beholden to China.

The US consumer is not easily replaced, China’s production is.







 

[goose]

This is what you said:

“We have all seen the effects that the China model has done to the USA, who do you think will want to follow suit ? 

Do you think the EU will be on board with that?
 Is it a price worth paying for cheap goods?”

The EU’s imports of Chinese goods largely follows the same pattern as the US.

you’ll have to post up your buddies ‘tweet’, I don’t have an account. Funny how you only wanna reference him when he agrees with you…….

I referenced him at the very beginning, remember? And I called him out for his globalist scaremongering. I knew he knew better. 

And no, the EU doesn’t as the USA has a major trade deficit. For China to trade with the EU instead of the USA they would want to maintain the same deficit, otherwise why change?

Fact is the EU won’t want to pick up the slack for a number of reasons mentioned in my c&p post, however China will have little to gain if they made a change which means they’d both be stupid to do it and risk the wrath from the USA.

Remember who pays the lion share of the EU’s defence budget too. Trump won’t tolerate the EU funding China’s war machine just like he didn’t like them funding Russia’s.

China has boxed itself in. It loses if it looks to trade elsewhere, it is as simple as that.

As for Trump looking to bring jobs back to the USA, this will help drive up wages, Corporate America will have to pony up, instead of just worrying about shareholders at the expense of the worker. Time for workers and unions to get their voices back which is already happening.

China has the losing hand.

If there’s demand of course the EU will continue to purchase from China. The Chinese have already started looking at alternative trade partners for their products.

You think corporate America will just suffer higher cost of goods and not pass that cost through to consumers?

Which specific goods/raw materials currently sourced from China do you think the US are able to replace in the short term?

[Nutsin]

This is what you said:

“We have all seen the effects that the China model has done to the USA, who do you think will want to follow suit ? 

Do you think the EU will be on board with that?
 Is it a price worth paying for cheap goods?”

The EU’s imports of Chinese goods largely follows the same pattern as the US.

you’ll have to post up your buddies ‘tweet’, I don’t have an account. Funny how you only wanna reference him when he agrees with you…….

I referenced him at the very beginning, remember? And I called him out for his globalist scaremongering. I knew he knew better. 

And no, the EU doesn’t as the USA has a major trade deficit. For China to trade with the EU instead of the USA they would want to maintain the same deficit, otherwise why change?

Fact is the EU won’t want to pick up the slack for a number of reasons mentioned in my c&p post, however China will have little to gain if they made a change which means they’d both be stupid to do it and risk the wrath from the USA.

Remember who pays the lion share of the EU’s defence budget too. Trump won’t tolerate the EU funding China’s war machine just like he didn’t like them funding Russia’s.

China has boxed itself in. It loses if it looks to trade elsewhere, it is as simple as that.

As for Trump looking to bring jobs back to the USA, this will help drive up wages, Corporate America will have to pony up, instead of just worrying about shareholders at the expense of the worker. Time for workers and unions to get their voices back which is already happening.

China has the losing hand.

[goose]

This is what you said:

“We have all seen the effects that the China model has done to the USA, who do you think will want to follow suit ? 

Do you think the EU will be on board with that?
 Is it a price worth paying for cheap goods?”

The EU’s imports of Chinese goods largely follows the same pattern as the US.

you’ll have to post up your buddies ‘tweet’, I don’t have an account. Funny how you only wanna reference him when he agrees with you…….

[Nutsin]

Here is El Erians most recent tweet if the link doesn’t work.

Noting that "of all the ruckus in markets over the past few weeks, the most concerning part was the rapid rise in Treasury yields," here is the @FT on the real yield on 10-year US government bonds:
"This is the subcomponent that is hardest to read into. The jump could have been from levered positions unwinding, or potentially from a drawdown in foreign investment, or both."
#economy #markets #bonds

[Nutsin]

Great bit of AI c&p there son.

Your point was about China taking away manufacturing jobs from the middle classes because the US is importing those manufactured goods.

The EU imports the same white goods, electrical items, clothes, toys etc etc.
Only difference is that the EU makes & exports more luxury items like cars & alcohol & fashion brands.

 

 

Of course it was C&P, why do you think I was posting it as my own ffs? 

No my point is that to fill the void left by the USA you will lose manufacturing jobs. Get it right.

The EU already has a higher unemployment rate than the USA.

Oh and here is a tweet from El Erian, basically admitting that the recent correction in the bond market could be in part attributed to deleveraging, which means people getting kicked out of their positions due to margin calls or selling to reduce their risk of a margin call.
Exactly What I have been saying. Read below.

Oh and China have reached out to the USA. Looks like they want to make a deal. Personally I hope Trump tells them to fuck off. 

here is El Erians tweet. He has finally stopped the scaremongering.

https://x.com/elerianm?s=21&t=lLtbssQkNTv4aBFIadkCwg

[goose]

Great bit of AI c&p there son.

Your point was about China taking away manufacturing jobs from the middle classes because the US is importing those manufactured goods.

The EU imports the same white goods, electrical items, clothes, toys etc etc.
Only difference is that the EU makes & exports more luxury items like cars & alcohol & fashion brands.