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[Nutsin]

So what you claiming as a ‘win’ is in fact a deal that hadn’t been struck?? Make your mind up.

Common sense brought both sides to the table. Scott Bessent was the one who persuaded Trump into the U-turn and has taken the lead on this. He appears to be one of the few with some common sense.

The fact remains from April through to August (minimum) those tariffs have pushed inflation into the US economy and made trade with China more expensive as well.

How do you know Bessant persuaded Trump on anything? 
Fact that Trumps Tariffs hikes have brought China to the negotiating table to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.

Do I have to spell everything out to you ffs?

Do you struggle with comprehension of what’s happening?

It’s blatantly obvious all you can do is regurgitate left wing propaganda. 

Try thinking for yourself for a change. 

Poor Goose still in the denial phase.

“to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.”

but they haven’t.
they got worse terms than pre-Trump.

how is higher tariffs for US companies opening up the Chinese market?

and you’ve got the front to tell people to think for themselves  

Look at the stock market numbnuts!

[goose]

Has the final deal been struck? 

Did Tariffs bring China to the negotiating table?

Still floundering!

So what you claiming as a ‘win’ is in fact a deal that hadn’t been struck?? Make your mind up.

Common sense brought both sides to the table. Scott Bessent was the one who persuaded Trump into the U-turn and has taken the lead on this. He appears to be one of the few with some common sense.

The fact remains from April through to August (minimum) those tariffs have pushed inflation into the US economy and made trade with China more expensive as well.

How do you know Bessant persuaded Trump on anything? 
Fact that Trumps Tariffs hikes have brought China to the negotiating table to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.

Do I have to spell everything out to you ffs?

Do you struggle with comprehension of what’s happening?

It’s blatantly obvious all you can do is regurgitate left wing propaganda. 

Try thinking for yourself for a change. 

Poor Goose still in the denial phase.

“to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.”

but they haven’t.
they got worse terms than pre-Trump.

how is higher tariffs for US companies opening up the Chinese market?

and you’ve got the front to tell people to think for themselves  

[Nutsin]

You were saying tariffs would open up markets to the US, but in fact it’s now more expensive for US businesses to export to the 2nd biggest market on the planet.

Has the final deal been struck? 

Did Tariffs bring China to the negotiating table?

Still floundering!

So what you claiming as a ‘win’ is in fact a deal that hadn’t been struck?? Make your mind up.

Common sense brought both sides to the table. Scott Bessent was the one who persuaded Trump into the U-turn and has taken the lead on this. He appears to be one of the few with some common sense.

The fact remains from April through to August (minimum) those tariffs have pushed inflation into the US economy and made trade with China more expensive as well.

How do you know Bessant persuaded Trump on anything? 
Fact that Trumps Tariffs hikes have brought China to the negotiating table to improve American terms and ultimately open up the Chinese market to US companies is a win.

Do I have to spell everything out to you ffs?

Do you struggle with comprehension of what’s happening?

It’s blatantly obvious all you can do is regurgitate left wing propaganda. 

Try thinking for yourself for a change. 

Poor Goose still in the denial phase.

[goose]

The China issue is Fetanyl, trade imbalance, and theft of IP and dumping and currency manipulation. 

We will find out what happens, suffice to say China the bully has now been put on notice, my guess is they will make concessions to address these issues. 

you really are clueless.

You were saying tariffs would open up markets to the US, but in fact it’s now more expensive for US businesses to export to the 2nd biggest market on the planet.

Has the final deal been struck? 

Did Tariffs bring China to the negotiating table?

Still floundering!

So what you claiming as a ‘win’ is in fact a deal that hadn’t been struck?? Make your mind up.

Common sense brought both sides to the table. Scott Bessent was the one who persuaded Trump into the U-turn and has taken the lead on this. He appears to be one of the few with some common sense.

The fact remains from April through to August (minimum) those tariffs have pushed inflation into the US economy and made trade with China more expensive as well.

[Nutsin]

You might wanna look up what tariffs were for US goods imported into China before Trump. 

The China issue is Fetanyl, trade imbalance, and theft of IP and dumping and currency manipulation. 

We will find out what happens, suffice to say China the bully has now been put on notice, my guess is they will make concessions to address these issues. 

you really are clueless.

You were saying tariffs would open up markets to the US, but in fact it’s now more expensive for US businesses to export to the 2nd biggest market on the planet.

Has the final deal been struck? 

Did Tariffs bring China to the negotiating table?

Still floundering!

[goose]

You might want to look up the word reciprocal in the dictionary.

You might wanna look up what tariffs were for US goods imported into China before Trump. 

The China issue is Fetanyl, trade imbalance, and theft of IP and dumping and currency manipulation. 

We will find out what happens, suffice to say China the bully has now been put on notice, my guess is they will make concessions to address these issues. 

you really are clueless.

You were saying tariffs would open up markets to the US, but in fact it’s now more expensive for US businesses to export to the 2nd biggest market on the planet.

[Nutsin]

You still trying to pretend that the embarrassing U-turn is all part of the plan?

You might want to look up the word reciprocal in the dictionary.

You might wanna look up what tariffs were for US goods imported into China before Trump. 

The China issue is Fetanyl, trade imbalance, and theft of IP and dumping and currency manipulation. 

We will find out what happens, suffice to say China the bully has now been put on notice, my guess is they will make concessions to address these issues. 

you really are clueless.

[goose]

You still trying to pretend that the embarrassing U-turn is all part of the plan?

You might want to look up the word reciprocal in the dictionary.

You might wanna look up what tariffs were for US goods imported into China before Trump. 

[goose]

You still trying to pretend that the embarrassing U-turn is all part of the plan?

Whatever works goose! It’s a results based business! 

 

 

And your benchmark for ‘working’ is?

[Nutsin]

You still trying to pretend that the embarrassing U-turn is all part of the plan?

You might want to look up the word reciprocal in the dictionary.

[Nutsin]

You still trying to pretend that the embarrassing U-turn is all part of the plan?

Whatever works goose! It’s a results based business! 

[goose]

You still trying to pretend that the embarrassing U-turn is all part of the plan?

[Nutsin]

You still picking up Pennie’s in front of a steam roller ffs.

Floundering!

[goose]

I said it’s a possibility but then again it might be better served to use the Tariff money to reduce taxes further to increase the GDP . But there will be options old boy.

At the end of the day the USA will come out ahead than where it was. Something that would never have happened under Kamala.

Lets see what happens, suffice to say Trump is resetting global trade, 

All that remains is to just how much of a win this is for the USA.

What is apparent is that your position of it all backfiring on Trump and that the sky will fall was dead wrong.

And there you were posting all that left wing propaganda like a brainwashed libtard thinking you had a point. 

ag ag ag ag!

Poor Goose!

Only reason markets recovered is because of the embarrassing U-turn Trump was forced into.

claiming a win from doing the exact opposite of what you were championing

Lying again!

It’s the art of the deal, nobody said Trump was rigid on Tariffs, he always said his Tariffs were reciprocal. Meaning you remove yours I’ll remove mine. Trump was always flexible. So stop embarassing yourself.

You’re so desperate for a win lol!

Floundering!

Oh! So spooking the bond market and being forced into an embarrassing U-turn was all part of the plan??  

a win for me is walking away from tariffs that are harmful to the global economy.

[Nutsin]

Won  

an embarrassing U-turn on tariffs is a ‘win’.
makes about as much sense as claiming a market declining 45% is a golden opportunity.

you claimed below that the US might pay down some debt and to expect more balanced trade. Have some conviction in your views.

I said it’s a possibility but then again it might be better served to use the Tariff money to reduce taxes further to increase the GDP . But there will be options old boy.

At the end of the day the USA will come out ahead than where it was. Something that would never have happened under Kamala.

Lets see what happens, suffice to say Trump is resetting global trade, 

All that remains is to just how much of a win this is for the USA.

What is apparent is that your position of it all backfiring on Trump and that the sky will fall was dead wrong.

And there you were posting all that left wing propaganda like a brainwashed libtard thinking you had a point. 

ag ag ag ag!

Poor Goose!

Only reason markets recovered is because of the embarrassing U-turn Trump was forced into.

claiming a win from doing the exact opposite of what you were championing

Lying again!

It’s the art of the deal, nobody said Trump was rigid on Tariffs, he always said his Tariffs were reciprocal. Meaning you remove yours I’ll remove mine. Trump was always flexible. So stop embarassing yourself.

You’re so desperate for a win lol!

Floundering!

[goose]

I’ve already won, you’re the one who needs a bet to save face on what is obviously desperate conjecture.

Im gonna continue to count the Trump wins one by one if you don’t mind and I’ll be sure to let you and your liberal friends know all about them.

Winners win.

It’s official last USA hostage has been released! 

I wonder how much the Saudi’s, Qatar and UAE are gonna invest in the USA? 

MAGA!

Won  

an embarrassing U-turn on tariffs is a ‘win’.
makes about as much sense as claiming a market declining 45% is a golden opportunity.

you claimed below that the US might pay down some debt and to expect more balanced trade. Have some conviction in your views.

I said it’s a possibility but then again it might be better served to use the Tariff money to reduce taxes further to increase the GDP . But there will be options old boy.

At the end of the day the USA will come out ahead than where it was. Something that would never have happened under Kamala.

Lets see what happens, suffice to say Trump is resetting global trade, 

All that remains is to just how much of a win this is for the USA.

What is apparent is that your position of it all backfiring on Trump and that the sky will fall was dead wrong.

And there you were posting all that left wing propaganda like a brainwashed libtard thinking you had a point. 

ag ag ag ag!

Poor Goose!

Only reason markets recovered is because of the embarrassing U-turn Trump was forced into.

claiming a win from doing the exact opposite of what you were championing

[Massive Attack]

Sounds like someone's tried to firebomb Starmers 'home' address to try to spook him. I reckon it was one of Putin's goons who's been put up to it a la the Heathrow substation blaze, so soon after Starmer and Co threatened him with a ceasefire ultimatum. 

[Nutsin]

What you scared of Nutsin son? It’s just a bet.



 

I’ve already won, you’re the one who needs a bet to save face on what is obviously desperate conjecture.

Im gonna continue to count the Trump wins one by one if you don’t mind and I’ll be sure to let you and your liberal friends know all about them.

Winners win.

It’s official last USA hostage has been released! 

I wonder how much the Saudi’s, Qatar and UAE are gonna invest in the USA? 

MAGA!

Won  

an embarrassing U-turn on tariffs is a ‘win’.
makes about as much sense as claiming a market declining 45% is a golden opportunity.

you claimed below that the US might pay down some debt and to expect more balanced trade. Have some conviction in your views.

I said it’s a possibility but then again it might be better served to use the Tariff money to reduce taxes further to increase the GDP . But there will be options old boy.

At the end of the day the USA will come out ahead than where it was. Something that would never have happened under Kamala.

Lets see what happens, suffice to say Trump is resetting global trade, 

All that remains is to just how much of a win this is for the USA.

What is apparent is that your position of it all backfiring on Trump and that the sky will fall was dead wrong.

And there you were posting all that left wing propaganda like a brainwashed libtard thinking you had a point. 

ag ag ag ag!

Poor Goose!

[goose]

What you scared of Nutsin son? It’s just a bet.


 

I’ve already won, you’re the one who needs a bet to save face on what is obviously desperate conjecture.

Im gonna continue to count the Trump wins one by one if you don’t mind and I’ll be sure to let you and your liberal friends know all about them.

Winners win.

It’s official last USA hostage has been released! 

I wonder how much the Saudi’s, Qatar and UAE are gonna invest in the USA? 

MAGA!

Won  

an embarrassing U-turn on tariffs is a ‘win’.
makes about as much sense as claiming a market declining 45% is a golden opportunity.

you claimed below that the US might pay down some debt and to expect more balanced trade. Have some conviction in your views.

[Nutsin]

What you scared of Nutsin son? It’s just a bet.

 

I’ve already won, you’re the one who needs a bet to save face on what is obviously desperate conjecture.

Im gonna continue to count the Trump wins one by one if you don’t mind and I’ll be sure to let you and your liberal friends know all about them.

Winners win.

It’s official last USA hostage has been released! 

I wonder how much the Saudi’s, Qatar and UAE are gonna invest in the USA? 

MAGA!

[goose]

What you scared of Nutsin son? It’s just a bet.
 

[Nutsin]

Really? So not about bringing back manufacturing from other countries to the US? Because that’s what he said.

The US consumer will be paying higher prices, and you won’t be making iPhones.

I’ll have a bet with you now that the US balance of trade barely moves.

You forgot to add Amen at the end.

I mean that was a prayer right?

Bringing back manufacturing jobs is happening and is one of the benefits. Not the only one got it?

I phones are now being made in India for the time being we will see if that changes, It’s a nothing burger.

Increased competition means there is a chance that manufacturers will eat the costs to remain competitive.

The blanket 10% Tariffs will add to the treasury Coffers good eh! Maybe we can pay down our debt, you know what that means, that’s right a stronger dollar, you know what a stronger dollar means, that’s right lower inflation
by definition.

Dont forget the lower energy costs and lower taxes too.
Id say the US consumer will be ok with Trumps Tariffs at the end of the day especially when wage increases kick in due to all the new manufacturing jobs.


Floundering?

Not brave enough to take the bet then? Shall we add sovereign debt reduction to that bet as well?
as per previous, manufacturing jobs have gone down.

you think manufacturing of one of the biggest selling products globally is a ‘nothing burger’ but selling pickups in a market declining 45% is a golden opportunity??  

Lower taxes we will see if it passes, because these things need to be funded but they cannot agree how.

Floundering!

[goose]

Egg prices are down, I live here remember.

 Fucking hell, You still haven’t figured out that Trumps initial Tariffs were to bring countries to the negotiating table? 
Are you really that stupid?

Let me help you out, don’t be surprised to learn that the all initialTariffs are all lowered with many that were levied against the USA being removed. Also don’t be surprised if trade barriers are removed and markets open up to US companies and manufacturers and farmers. Also expect more balanced trade, not  the big deficits that the US has been subject to, so more US exports.
Why would this happen,  because the US consumer is the grand prize that they all want a piece of, just like I’ve been telling you. Trump understood this which is why he will come out ahead in these trade agreements.

Got it now silly nuts?

Just took a look at my retirement account, it’s flashing green!!!!! Cha Ching!

Really? So not about bringing back manufacturing from other countries to the US? Because that’s what he said.

The US consumer will be paying higher prices, and you won’t be making iPhones.

I’ll have a bet with you now that the US balance of trade barely moves.

You forgot to add Amen at the end.

I mean that was a prayer right?

Bringing back manufacturing jobs is happening and is one of the benefits. Not the only one got it?

I phones are now being made in India for the time being we will see if that changes, It’s a nothing burger.

Increased competition means there is a chance that manufacturers will eat the costs to remain competitive.

The blanket 10% Tariffs will add to the treasury Coffers good eh! Maybe we can pay down our debt, you know what that means, that’s right a stronger dollar, you know what a stronger dollar means, that’s right lower inflation
by definition.

Dont forget the lower energy costs and lower taxes too.
Id say the US consumer will be ok with Trumps Tariffs at the end of the day especially when wage increases kick in due to all the new manufacturing jobs.


Floundering?

Not brave enough to take the bet then? Shall we add sovereign debt reduction to that bet as well?
as per previous, manufacturing jobs have gone down.

you think manufacturing of one of the biggest selling products globally is a ‘nothing burger’ but selling pickups in a market declining 45% is a golden opportunity??  

Lower taxes we will see if it passes, because these things need to be funded but they cannot agree how.

[Nutsin]

Are you having another episode?

Let’s talk about facts:
- latest set of data, US manufacturing lost about 1,000 jobs. That’s a fact.
- cost of goods on anything imported is now more expensive than before Trump took office because of tariffs.
- before Trump, US business could export goods to China tariff free. Now they can’t.
- when the tariffs were announced the markets shut themselves.
- now those tariffs have been reduced the markets have gone the other way, because tariffs are being reduced or removed.
- global sea shipments dropped off significantly after the tariffs were announced, including the US. They will now pick up.
- eggs retail prices aren’t down since Trump took office, in fact they’ve gone up.

Egg prices are down, I live here remember.

 Fucking hell, You still haven’t figured out that Trumps initial Tariffs were to bring countries to the negotiating table? 
Are you really that stupid?

Let me help you out, don’t be surprised to learn that the all initialTariffs are all lowered with many that were levied against the USA being removed. Also don’t be surprised if trade barriers are removed and markets open up to US companies and manufacturers and farmers. Also expect more balanced trade, not  the big deficits that the US has been subject to, so more US exports.
Why would this happen,  because the US consumer is the grand prize that they all want a piece of, just like I’ve been telling you. Trump understood this which is why he will come out ahead in these trade agreements.

Got it now silly nuts?

Just took a look at my retirement account, it’s flashing green!!!!! Cha Ching!

Really? So not about bringing back manufacturing from other countries to the US? Because that’s what he said.

The US consumer will be paying higher prices, and you won’t be making iPhones.

I’ll have a bet with you now that the US balance of trade barely moves.

You forgot to add Amen at the end.

I mean that was a prayer right?

Bringing back manufacturing jobs is happening and is one of the benefits. Not the only one got it?

I phones are now being made in India for the time being we will see if that changes, It’s a nothing burger.

Increased competition means there is a chance that manufacturers will eat the costs to remain competitive.

The blanket 10% Tariffs will add to the treasury Coffers good eh! Maybe we can pay down our debt, you know what that means, that’s right a stronger dollar, you know what a stronger dollar means, that’s right lower inflation
by definition.

Dont forget the lower energy costs and lower taxes too.
Id say the US consumer will be ok with Trumps Tariffs at the end of the day especially when wage increases kick in due to all the new manufacturing jobs.


Floundering?

[goose]

Who said US cars would take over the UK market? Are you making shit up again? I said they will sell more than what they already do.

“None of the manufacturing are are coming back to the US”, really? It’s already happening numbnuts. If the US exports more that will also mean more jobs.

All petty silly little points that mean very little in the grand scheme of things.

So I take it the sky isn’t falling, the stock and bond market isn’t gonna collapse and tariffs aren’t so bad after all.

Looks like another big win for Trump too. Let that sink in! 

hostages released, peace talks with Russia and Ukraine, end of DEI in the USA, borders are secure, streets are safer, inflation is down, energy prices are down, egg prices are down, Resetting global trade, with a possible end to China’s neo mercantilism, Houthis put in their place, $10 trillion in new investments into the US and counting, creating new manufacturing jobs. Thanks to Tariffs, cheaper pharmaceutical drug prices and an American pope.

what you gonna be spouting bollox about  a month from now when even more trade deals are announced OR when Trumps tax cuts are approved?

My guess it will be something silly, as usual.

Fact is you were dead wrong and I was dead right!

And don’t be surprised if all this inflation talk of yours turns out to be a nothing burger.

Oops!

Are you having another episode?

Let’s talk about facts:
- latest set of data, US manufacturing lost about 1,000 jobs. That’s a fact.
- cost of goods on anything imported is now more expensive than before Trump took office because of tariffs.
- before Trump, US business could export goods to China tariff free. Now they can’t.
- when the tariffs were announced the markets shut themselves.
- now those tariffs have been reduced the markets have gone the other way, because tariffs are being reduced or removed.
- global sea shipments dropped off significantly after the tariffs were announced, including the US. They will now pick up.
- eggs retail prices aren’t down since Trump took office, in fact they’ve gone up.

Egg prices are down, I live here remember.

 Fucking hell, You still haven’t figured out that Trumps initial Tariffs were to bring countries to the negotiating table? 
Are you really that stupid?

Let me help you out, don’t be surprised to learn that the all initialTariffs are all lowered with many that were levied against the USA being removed. Also don’t be surprised if trade barriers are removed and markets open up to US companies and manufacturers and farmers. Also expect more balanced trade, not  the big deficits that the US has been subject to, so more US exports.
Why would this happen,  because the US consumer is the grand prize that they all want a piece of, just like I’ve been telling you. Trump understood this which is why he will come out ahead in these trade agreements.

Got it now silly nuts?

Just took a look at my retirement account, it’s flashing green!!!!! Cha Ching!

Really? So not about bringing back manufacturing from other countries to the US? Because that’s what he said.

Let’s be clear about this - Trump was forced to climb down in his tariffs. 

The US consumer will be paying higher prices, and you won’t be making iPhones.

I’ll have a bet with you now that the US balance of trade barely moves.