The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Massive Attack]

Fuck me the whole world's on fire right now. It's all Greta Thunbergs fault. 

We peaked in the 90s, take me back.

[only1billybonds]

"Welcome to the USA sleep walking into being a fascist state."

If they hurry up, they'll catch up with Starmers UK.

[Nutsin]

US Senator dragged from Noem's news conference and hand cuffed for doing his job of being there and asking a question. Welcome to the USA sleep walking into being a fascist state.

What a load of bollocks!

[One Sunny Day]

US Senator dragged from Noem's news conference and hand cuffed for doing his job of being there and asking a question. Welcome to the USA sleep walking into being a fascist state.

[Nutsin]

Gonna be a big push for regime change in Iran.
Time to Liberate the poor bastards from that evil regime.

Here comes more refugees. Trump just Banned Iranians from travel to the USA. 

Apparently Israeli officials are saying they’re just getting started.

[Sydney_Iron]

Reports that Iran is/was close to having a Nuclear weapon capability after doing everything under the table, so well-done Israel hopefully knocking it out, the USA and Europe now need to rally around Israel (especially if it sparks a war) for doing the world a favour as odds on the cunts would have launched or at the very least threaten to launch one at Israel.

Watch the unwashed and unhinged left getting even more anti-Israel, if anything those cunts would be celebrating had Iran nuked the Zionists. 

[Nutsin]

[Massive Attack]

Wils

Thanks for the heads up as the rest of it was just as fascinating..



Cummings has just launched a number of explosive stink bomb grenades in the direction of Whitehall and to all those in connection with the rape gang cover-ups (yes that's including you too Starmer). He's all but confirmed what many of us suspected now adding to calls for a comprehensive national enquiry to expose it all. He implies it's a really big deal which says something having been on the inside seeing what he has. 

He has his faults but he's definitely alright by me, he cares and seems deeply patriotic.

[Nutsin]

 

Oh dear keep digging muppet, true to form Nutsack you just regurgitate the moronic dribblings of your heoroes even when its irrelevant and/or you dont understand it. I googled Beasants remark and its not stating that reducing taxes will be deflationary you idiot. Its stating that on the theory that if increasing Tarriffs as a tax burden is inflationary then reducing taxes would have the opposite effect which I assume he knew to be not true as he was denying the former statement. 

Now do you get it. Its really a school day everyday for you isnt it.

Oh and I have no problem with free trade its you and Trump who thinks having tarriffs at a miimum of 10% is good! 

 

 

Okay looks like you need another lesson on inflation.
When setting monetary policy including Interest rates the Fed look at the Core PCE Deflator. I already mentioned this to you.

The Core PCE Deflator Does not consider the price of o loaf of bread in its Inflation data. In fact it ignore groceries and energy prices altogether.


Only a Brian dead retarded liberal would point out tax cuts being inflationary. I bet you’re one of those retards that will claim wage growth increases ( people getting pay raises annd higher paying jobs) are inflationary and therefore bad for the economy too.


Mong!

I wasnt talking about interest rates so not sure what you are talking about. Maybe goose was? I dunno! 

I was also not disputing how inflation is worked out so quit obfuscating. 

You are deliberately avoiding the point that you thought Beasant was actually saying reducing taxes is anti-inflationary. Which is not what he said but you are too thick to understand it. You just google and regurgitate without actually understanding any of it!

I didnt say tax cuts were inflationary read it again idiot. I said they were not deflationary but that can lead to demand led inflation if people have too much money in their pockets and want to spend it without there being the supply to support it prices rise!

That is so clear to me now. You are actually as dumb as you sound.

Cost push and Demand Pull inflation. Get it right numbnuts.


Fucking clueless!

[Massive Attack]

Good to see him sporting glasses now since his Barnard castle eye-test mission.

I actually like him because he challenges the inner workings of power and seems to have his heart in the right place. Shit at bullshitting about bogus eyesight tests though. 

[wils]

Good little talk from Dominic Cummings about how the government tried to cover up the rape gangs. 

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Well Bessant the head of the treasury was the one who mentioned taxes being deflationary. I think I’ll take his word on things, he’s been right so far.

Tarriff increases are not always passed on to the consumer and a reduction in energy costs brings down the costs of groceries and items sold at Walmart ffs.


As for the Tarriff revenue, China is being charged 55% Tariiffs, remember there will be a blanket 10% on everyone else minimum…. All that adds up. Trade barriers are coming down only a liberal would take issue with that.

 

Oh dear keep digging muppet, true to form Nutsack you just regurgitate the moronic dribblings of your heoroes even when its irrelevant and/or you dont understand it. I googled Beasants remark and its not stating that reducing taxes will be deflationary you idiot. Its stating that on the theory that if increasing Tarriffs as a tax burden is inflationary then reducing taxes would have the opposite effect which I assume he knew to be not true as he was denying the former statement. 

Now do you get it. Its really a school day everyday for you isnt it.

Oh and I have no problem with free trade its you and Trump who thinks having tarriffs at a miimum of 10% is good! 

 

 

Okay looks like you need another lesson on inflation.
When setting monetary policy including Interest rates the Fed look at the Core PCE Deflator. I already mentioned this to you.

The Core PCE Deflator Does not consider the price of o loaf of bread in its Inflation data. In fact it ignore groceries and energy prices altogether.


Only a Brian dead retarded liberal would point out tax cuts being inflationary. I bet you’re one of those retards that will claim wage growth increases ( people getting pay raises annd higher paying jobs) are inflationary and therefore bad for the economy too.


Mong!

I wasnt talking about interest rates so not sure what you are talking about. Maybe goose was? I dunno! 

I was also not disputing how inflation is worked out so quit obfuscating. 

You are deliberately avoiding the point that you thought Beasant was actually saying reducing taxes is anti-inflationary. Which is not what he said but you are too thick to understand it. You just google and regurgitate without actually understanding any of it!

I didnt say tax cuts were inflationary read it again idiot. I said they were not deflationary but that can lead to demand led inflation if people have too much money in their pockets and want to spend it without there being the supply to support it prices rise!

That is so clear to me now. You are actually as dumb as you sound.

[Nutsin]

The USA imports $438 Billion per year from China. Approx 1.4% of the $30 Trillion US annual GDP. It’s minimal. Easily offset with the reduction in energy costs.

[goose]

All you got to do is see the interest rate chart to see how it’s reacted since the downgrade ffs. 

Moodys downgrade was May 16 today the yield on the 10 year is lower.

as I said nothing burger.

All layers on higher borrowing costs for the president who said this:

“No member of Congress should be eligible for re‑election if our country’s budget is not balanced—deficits not allowed!”

first term he added $8trn to your national debt, he’s fc to add another $2trn a year.

Are you spouting bollocks about spending under Covid now? 

The historical numbers are absolute. If you wanna use the Covid excuse it’s still $4trn.

[Nutsin]

 

Not though is it? Because it directly impacts the rate you can borrow money at.
If they were nothing they wouldn’t exist.

All you got to do is see the interest rate chart to see how it’s reacted since the downgrade ffs. 

Moodys downgrade was May 16 today the yield on the 10 year is lower.

as I said nothing burger.

All layers on higher borrowing costs for the president who said this:

“No member of Congress should be eligible for re‑election if our country’s budget is not balanced—deficits not allowed!”

first term he added $8trn to your national debt, he’s fc to add another $2trn a year.

Are you spouting bollocks about spending under Covid now? 

[Nutsin]

 

Oh dear. For someone who proclaims to be an expert in stocks and shares and a critical thinker you know absolutely nothing about the tax system or how tarrifs are applied are you actually the Donald himself?

Tarriffs are a tax on importing goods which directly raises prices and is therefore inflationary - right? 

But reducing income taxes has no effect on reducing inflation in fact it can have the opposite effect as with more money in your pocket, you may well force demand and thus fuel inflation further.

Also if lower fuel prices are having a big impact on inflation as an overall figure then the fact inflation has risen slightly suggests its countering bigger rises elsewhere.

Oh and you cant keep banging on about tarrifs bringing tax revenue in and also stating that once the trade deals remove tarrifs prices will come down trade and will be free!

Numpty Nutsack!

Well Bessant the head of the treasury was the one who mentioned taxes being deflationary. I think I’ll take his word on things, he’s been right so far.

Tarriff increases are not always passed on to the consumer and a reduction in energy costs brings down the costs of groceries and items sold at Walmart ffs.


As for the Tarriff revenue, China is being charged 55% Tariiffs, remember there will be a blanket 10% on everyone else minimum…. All that adds up. Trade barriers are coming down only a liberal would take issue with that.

 

Oh dear keep digging muppet, true to form Nutsack you just regurgitate the moronic dribblings of your heoroes even when its irrelevant and/or you dont understand it. I googled Beasants remark and its not stating that reducing taxes will be deflationary you idiot. Its stating that on the theory that if increasing Tarriffs as a tax burden is inflationary then reducing taxes would have the opposite effect which I assume he knew to be not true as he was denying the former statement. 

Now do you get it. Its really a school day everyday for you isnt it.

Oh and I have no problem with free trade its you and Trump who thinks having tarriffs at a miimum of 10% is good! 

 

 

 

 

Okay looks like you need another lesson on inflation.
When setting monetary policy including Interest rates the Fed look at the Core PCE Deflator. I already mentioned this to you.

The Core PCE Deflator Does not consider the price of o loaf of bread in its Inflation data. In fact it ignore groceries and energy prices altogether.


Only a Brian dead retarded liberal would point out tax cuts being inflationary. I bet you’re one of those retards that will claim wage growth increases ( people getting pay raises annd higher paying jobs) are inflationary and therefore bad for the economy too.


Mong!

[Massive Attack]

FFS

[goose]

Standard and Poor downgraded the US credit rating in 2011 Fitch in 2023.

The moodys downgrade was a nothing burger. Markets didn’t react.

Everyone’s scaremongering especially the Globalists and the liberals!

 

Not though is it? Because it directly impacts the rate you can borrow money at.
If they were nothing they wouldn’t exist.

All you got to do is see the interest rate chart to see how it’s reacted since the downgrade ffs. 

Moodys downgrade was May 16 today the yield on the 10 year is lower.

as I said nothing burger.

All layers on higher borrowing costs for the president who said this:

“No member of Congress should be eligible for re‑election if our country’s budget is not balanced—deficits not allowed!”

first term he added $8trn to your national debt, he’s fc to add another $2trn a year.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Wait until the trade barriers are removed and the existing Tarriffs removed against American producers. I think you’ll find that won’t make the U S poorer you moron.

Also if Tarriffs are a tax that increases inflation then Trumps tax cuts in his big beautiful bill will reduce inflation. The big one is energy costs that have come way down, they are a big win in the reduction of inflation.

An increase in GDP and Tarriff revenue will offset the increase in spending, everything you have is edt wing propoganda that has been dead wrong on everything. Yet you still reference it like it’s the written word. You’re stuck on stupid. Where’s all this Stagflation you were banging on about?

 

Oh dear. For someone who proclaims to be an expert in stocks and shares and a critical thinker you know absolutely nothing about the tax system or how tarrifs are applied are you actually the Donald himself?

Tarriffs are a tax on importing goods which directly raises prices and is therefore inflationary - right? 

But reducing income taxes has no effect on reducing inflation in fact it can have the opposite effect as with more money in your pocket, you may well force demand and thus fuel inflation further.

Also if lower fuel prices are having a big impact on inflation as an overall figure then the fact inflation has risen slightly suggests its countering bigger rises elsewhere.

Oh and you cant keep banging on about tarrifs bringing tax revenue in and also stating that once the trade deals remove tarrifs prices will come down trade and will be free!

Numpty Nutsack!

Well Bessant the head of the treasury was the one who mentioned taxes being deflationary. I think I’ll take his word on things, he’s been right so far.

Tarriff increases are not always passed on to the consumer and a reduction in energy costs brings down the costs of groceries and items sold at Walmart ffs.


As for the Tarriff revenue, China is being charged 55% Tariiffs, remember there will be a blanket 10% on everyone else minimum…. All that adds up. Trade barriers are coming down only a liberal would take issue with that.

 

 

Oh dear keep digging muppet, true to form Nutsack you just regurgitate the moronic dribblings of your heoroes even when its irrelevant and/or you dont understand it. I googled Beasants remark and its not stating that reducing taxes will be deflationary you idiot. Its stating that on the theory that if increasing Tarriffs as a tax burden is inflationary then reducing taxes would have the opposite effect which I assume he knew to be not true as he was denying the former statement. 

Now do you get it. Its really a school day everyday for you isnt it.

Oh and I have no problem with free trade its you and Trump who thinks having tarriffs at a miimum of 10% is good! 

[Nutsin]

Everything you’ve just waffled about is YOUR view of what will happen.
I posted what has happened already. Absolute facts.

Your opinion is great if that makes you happy but pretty much every economist, bank, hedge fund etc etc disagrees with you. Your own central bank disagrees with you. The IMF, the world bank, your own congressional budget office…….. they all disagree with you.

They've all FC a slowdown in growth because of tariffs, inflation through to Q1 2026 because of tariffs, higher debt levels because of this bill, less scope for interest rate cuts.

But I’m sure to you, they’re all fake news.

Standard and Poor downgraded the US credit rating in 2011 Fitch in 2023.

The moodys downgrade was a nothing burger. Markets didn’t react.

Everyone’s scaremongering especially the Globalists and the liberals!

 

Not though is it? Because it directly impacts the rate you can borrow money at.
If they were nothing they wouldn’t exist.

All you got to do is see the interest rate chart to see how it’s reacted since the downgrade ffs. 

Moodys downgrade was May 16 today the yield on the 10 year is lower.

as I said nothing burger.

[Nutsin]

 

Took on the world and made everything more expensive for everyone while overseeing the decline of manufacturing. Yeh well played  

Not to mention the trillions he’s adding to your debt.

So far you’ve had your credit rating downgraded, your growth forecast slashed and a panicked the bond market.

He’s making you poorer.

Wait until the trade barriers are removed and the existing Tarriffs removed against American producers. I think you’ll find that won’t make the U S poorer you moron.

Also if Tarriffs are a tax that increases inflation then Trumps tax cuts in his big beautiful bill will reduce inflation. The big one is energy costs that have come way down, they are a big win in the reduction of inflation.

An increase in GDP and Tarriff revenue will offset the increase in spending, everything you have is edt wing propoganda that has been dead wrong on everything. Yet you still reference it like it’s the written word. You’re stuck on stupid. Where’s all this Stagflation you were banging on about?

 

Oh dear. For someone who proclaims to be an expert in stocks and shares and a critical thinker you know absolutely nothing about the tax system or how tarrifs are applied are you actually the Donald himself?

Tarriffs are a tax on importing goods which directly raises prices and is therefore inflationary - right? 

But reducing income taxes has no effect on reducing inflation in fact it can have the opposite effect as with more money in your pocket, you may well force demand and thus fuel inflation further.

Also if lower fuel prices are having a big impact on inflation as an overall figure then the fact inflation has risen slightly suggests its countering bigger rises elsewhere.

Oh and you cant keep banging on about tarrifs bringing tax revenue in and also stating that once the trade deals remove tarrifs prices will come down trade and will be free!

Numpty Nutsack!

Well Bessant the head of the treasury was the one who mentioned taxes being deflationary. I think I’ll take his word on things, he’s been right so far.

Tarriff increases are not always passed on to the consumer and a reduction in energy costs brings down the costs of groceries and items sold at Walmart ffs.


As for the Tarriff revenue, China is being charged 55% Tariiffs, remember there will be a blanket 10% on everyone else minimum…. All that adds up. Trade barriers are coming down only a liberal would take issue with that.

[goose]

Wait until the trade barriers are removed and the existing Tarriffs removed against American producers. I think you’ll find that won’t make the U S poorer you moron.

Also if Tarriffs are a tax that increases inflation then Trumps tax cuts in his big beautiful bill will reduce inflation. The big one is energy costs that have come way down, they are a big win in the reduction of inflation.

An increase in GDP and Tarriff revenue will offset the increase in spending, everything you have is edt wing propoganda that has been dead wrong on everything. Yet you still reference it like it’s the written word. You’re stuck on stupid. Where’s all this Stagflation you were banging on about?

Everything you’ve just waffled about is YOUR view of what will happen.
I posted what has happened already. Absolute facts.

Your opinion is great if that makes you happy but pretty much every economist, bank, hedge fund etc etc disagrees with you. Your own central bank disagrees with you. The IMF, the world bank, your own congressional budget office…….. they all disagree with you.

They've all FC a slowdown in growth because of tariffs, inflation through to Q1 2026 because of tariffs, higher debt levels because of this bill, less scope for interest rate cuts.

But I’m sure to you, they’re all fake news.

Standard and Poor downgraded the US credit rating in 2011 Fitch in 2023.

The moodys downgrade was a nothing burger. Markets didn’t react.

Everyone’s scaremongering especially the Globalists and the liberals!

 

 

Not though is it? Because it directly impacts the rate you can borrow money at.
If they were nothing they wouldn’t exist.

[Nutsin]

 

Took on the world and made everything more expensive for everyone while overseeing the decline of manufacturing. Yeh well played  

Not to mention the trillions he’s adding to your debt.

So far you’ve had your credit rating downgraded, your growth forecast slashed and a panicked the bond market.

He’s making you poorer.

Wait until the trade barriers are removed and the existing Tarriffs removed against American producers. I think you’ll find that won’t make the U S poorer you moron.

Also if Tarriffs are a tax that increases inflation then Trumps tax cuts in his big beautiful bill will reduce inflation. The big one is energy costs that have come way down, they are a big win in the reduction of inflation.

An increase in GDP and Tarriff revenue will offset the increase in spending, everything you have is edt wing propoganda that has been dead wrong on everything. Yet you still reference it like it’s the written word. You’re stuck on stupid. Where’s all this Stagflation you were banging on about?

Everything you’ve just waffled about is YOUR view of what will happen.
I posted what has happened already. Absolute facts.

Your opinion is great if that makes you happy but pretty much every economist, bank, hedge fund etc etc disagrees with you. Your own central bank disagrees with you. The IMF, the world bank, your own congressional budget office…….. they all disagree with you.

They've all FC a slowdown in growth because of tariffs, inflation through to Q1 2026 because of tariffs, higher debt levels because of this bill, less scope for interest rate cuts.

But I’m sure to you, they’re all fake news.

Yeah, I’ll keep buying the bottom while you sell it.

[Nutsin]

 

Took on the world and made everything more expensive for everyone while overseeing the decline of manufacturing. Yeh well played  

Not to mention the trillions he’s adding to your debt.

So far you’ve had your credit rating downgraded, your growth forecast slashed and a panicked the bond market.

He’s making you poorer.

Wait until the trade barriers are removed and the existing Tarriffs removed against American producers. I think you’ll find that won’t make the U S poorer you moron.

Also if Tarriffs are a tax that increases inflation then Trumps tax cuts in his big beautiful bill will reduce inflation. The big one is energy costs that have come way down, they are a big win in the reduction of inflation.

An increase in GDP and Tarriff revenue will offset the increase in spending, everything you have is edt wing propoganda that has been dead wrong on everything. Yet you still reference it like it’s the written word. You’re stuck on stupid. Where’s all this Stagflation you were banging on about?

Everything you’ve just waffled about is YOUR view of what will happen.
I posted what has happened already. Absolute facts.

Your opinion is great if that makes you happy but pretty much every economist, bank, hedge fund etc etc disagrees with you. Your own central bank disagrees with you. The IMF, the world bank, your own congressional budget office…….. they all disagree with you.

They've all FC a slowdown in growth because of tariffs, inflation through to Q1 2026 because of tariffs, higher debt levels because of this bill, less scope for interest rate cuts.

But I’m sure to you, they’re all fake news.

Standard and Poor downgraded the US credit rating in 2011 Fitch in 2023.

The moodys downgrade was a nothing burger. Markets didn’t react.

Everyone’s scaremongering especially the Globalists and the liberals!

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Oh and as Trump is presiding over the lowest value Dollar in the last 3 years that will also have an inflationary impact as imports become more expensive.

On the flipside US exported goods will be cheaper for other countries.