The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Nutsin]

I mean just look at the accounts handle. ActivePatriotUK. Not that there aren't people like this among the boat people, but to say this account is an unreliable source of stories about immigrants would be quite the understatement..

I’m sure you’re right Wils!

[Massive Attack]

He's either going to be in serious trouble for spreading baseless fear, or he can back up what evidence he has to make such claims openly...


"I've received information from the Pakistani community in Dewsbury that can speak Afghanistani

It's common knowledge in their community that some of the people staying in asylum hotels and HMOs are ISIS and the talk on the street amongst them is that they are ready to strike and are waiting for the nod from higher up

The first thing they're planning is an attack on infant and primary schools beheading our kids. They want a shock tactic and to bring massacre and wage war on our country

The government have been planning emergency responses at schools across the country and updated their schools and college security guidelines in July last year"

[wils]

I mean just look at the accounts handle. ActivePatriotUK. Not that there aren't people like this among the boat people, but to say this account is an unreliable source of stories about immigrants would be quite the understatement..

[Far Cough UKunt]

OK, I'm calling chinny reckon on that. Because if it were true on that scale, this Country would go off big time. The Government/Authorities cannot be that irresponsible after 7/7.

Yyyyeeeeeah, also there is no such language as 'Afghanistani'.

Yeah good point, it's Urdu isn't it?

I just looked it up: Official languages

Pashto Dari

[Nutsin]

OK, I'm calling chinny reckon on that. Because if it were true on that scale, this Country would go off big time. The Government/Authorities cannot be that irresponsible after 7/7.

Yyyyeeeeeah, also there is no such language as 'Afghanistani'.

Let’s hope it’s bs! 

I remember the reports and documentaries showing people warning us that airplanes were perfect weapons for terrorists to use on western civilization, people ignored it and then 9/11 happened.

So don’t be so sure!

[Nurse Ratched]

OK, I'm calling chinny reckon on that. Because if it were true on that scale, this Country would go off big time. The Government/Authorities cannot be that irresponsible after 7/7.

Yyyyeeeeeah, also there is no such language as 'Afghanistani'.

[Massive Attack]

That I can believe.

[only1billybonds]

MA.

I also have my doubts about that story but what is unarguable is that of the thousands of small boat arrivals, a percentage of them will come from cultures that despise us and our way of life. It wouldn't take much to radicalise these types and when that happens,anythings possible. We have enough home grown potential terrorists yet we seem to eagerly welcome hundreds more by the day. Fucking madness doesn't come close!
 

[Massive Attack]

OK, I'm calling chinny reckon on that. Because if it were true on that scale, this Country would go off big time. The Government/Authorities cannot be that irresponsible after 7/7.

[Nutsin]

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[wils]

Wils

I said exactly that a while back. The civil service and institutions are captured and will do their utmost to get there agenda in place. Whoever 'governs' the country is irrelevant up to a point, those behind the scenes will make decision making almost impossible for any leader unless it falls in line with their take on what line we should be taking.

Case in point:

[collyrob]

Israel first

[only1billybonds]

Wils

I said exactly that a while back. The civil service and institutions are captured and will do their utmost to get there agenda in place. Whoever 'governs' the country is irrelevant up to a point, those behind the scenes will make decision making almost impossible for any leader unless it falls in line with their take on what line we should be taking.

[Nutsin]

Yep!

[wils]

The fact of the matter is that we have a system of electing the national  government which the general public have come to realise the majority of the electorate do not support.

The first move, in order to get nation and State in alignment, must be a reform of our voting system such that minority governments are an impossibility.

I think that’s the least of our problems. We have a whole state, from the home office to the judiciary which has been captured by demographic that doesn’t believe in the nation state. So even if we do elect a government to work in our interests the state will continue to try and thwart its efforts.

Farage won’t fix this even if he wins a big majority. This is systemic and will need rooting out over years. Cummings has got an understanding of it but I think it’s out of his league too. Popular revolution is probably the best chance. But don’t hold your breath for that. 

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The fact of the matter is that we have a system of electing the national  government which the general public have come to realise the majority of the electorate do not support.

The first move, in order to get nation and State in alignment, must be a reform of our voting system such that minority governments are an impossibility.

[wils]

To think that the nation and the state are seperate entities that are divided is not a recent thing. It has always been the case.

Yes, but together they gave us the nation state. Which is a distinct entity in itself. Their interests aligned. That’s why it worked. 

It’s a recent thing that the state is hostile to the interests of the nation. We haven’t seen that before. It might have curtailed our liberties and treated the inhabitants of the nation poorly, but it never set about to work against the interests of the nation itself. 

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To think that the nation and the state are seperate entities that are divided is not a recent thing. It has always been the case.

[Massive Attack]

You know the chant..

"SAY IT LOUD, SAY IT CLEAR, REFUGEES ARE WELCOME HERE"

.. I could not agree more. Not even being sarcastic. I have genuinely always agreed with every soap dodging liberal nutter that screams it and have done so long before they recently did. My argument back though is that every single 1 that attempts to travel across the English Channel over by boat is not a Refugee. And the simple explanation is that every single one has had to travel through numerous safe Countries to attempt it. And if that is the case, then they have no need to get to us across water illegally. All it proves is that they are in fact economic migrants who think they can understandably get a better life on benefits, board etc than the other safe Countries provide, picking and choosing where to settle when that's not what genuine refugees do. Just happy they are finally safe in any of the other safe Countries they've travelled in to. 

So what you do is take the moral high ground alongside the great unwashed Leftys using their own slogan whilst explaining that none crossing by boat can be having already entered many other safe Countries already. It's illogical nonsense to say they are still Refugees seeking to escape war or persecution from mainland Europe. That is unless I've missed something which I may have but that's my take on it.

The final point I'd add that I think any sane right minded person who wants to stop the dangerous crossings is saying how irresponsible it is for the Left to encourage them risking their lives drowning when they are already safe. The right should be making that point clear that by preventing them crossing we are in fact wanting to protect and prevent serious harm to those that wish to attempt to cross. They just don't make that argument strong enough in the Media though getting trapped instead in the typical endless back and forth over failed policies to stop it. It's far more humane to say we don't want them to cross so they dont risk death needlessly and last time I checked there have been 152 reported deaths in the Channel to date since it began in 2018. That's disgusting when you think about it, yet the left still encourage them over. Warped logic. 
 

[Massive Attack]

Logical explanation..

[wils]

I saw someone explain the current situation quite well recently. The nation state is now two entities: the nation and the state. Their interests no longer align. The state no longer shares the interests of the nation. The nation and the state are now at odds with each other.

[violator]

It staggers me that there are still people out there who willingly defend these cunts with their shithouse placards and calling everyone "far right"

[wils]

12-year-old raped in Warwickshire:

Police refused to disclose further details, saying: "Once someone is charged with an offence, we follow national guidance. This guidance does not include sharing ethnicity or immigration status.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy98l9j913vo

But in Liverpool they gave the suspects ethnicity and nationality straight away and said:

In a report published earlier this month into last summer's events, His Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services said the police service "must do more to communicate online" and "fill the information void with the truth"."Forces must provide a true narrative online to reach people who may be searching for information," it added.The report went on to say: "The police service must communicate the facts. Repeatedly, continuously and effectively as circumstances change and develop."If not, others will take over the narrative with overwhelming amounts of online content. And some of this may be false or harmful to the police response and the communities the police are there to protect."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgv4ddpyddo


So what's going on?

[Massive Attack]

It's not even a joke, it's a tragic fact.

The Country(ies) are going to go pop soon..