Nuno Out

[northbankfrank]

2,500 posts by the end of the season?

[ragingbull]

Monday morning there should be a board meeting and he should be asked to explain what the merry fuck is up with that team selection.

[Come On You Irons]

It doesn't even matter who the manager is anymore.

The fuck it doesn't. A competent manager would do the obvious that all the fans can see. Play our strongest starting eleven, play the players in their best positions and play a formation to the strength of the team.

Unfortunately we have now hired three idiot out of work managers in a row appointed who all make bizarre team selections and play nonsensical tactics.

The appointments are all down to one man and his cheapskate, incompetent approach to running a football club. David fucking Sullivan.

[Fauxstralian]

Pick the right team and we might get somewhere you beardy Portuguese clown
Irving & Soucek …. JESUS WEPT 

[cholo]

It doesn't even matter who the manager is anymore.

[muskie]

Welcome to West Ham United, leave your common sense at the door.

 

[Mad Ferret]

He’s a useless cսnt.

[goose]

Can absolutely fuck off.

Result is completely on him and his brainless team selection. Funny how once the players everyone said should start get on the pitch we look 100 times more capable.

two fucking games he’s given up.

[Rossal]

 

Disagree. Kevin DeBruyne had one of the worst completion rates, regularly, in the Premier league. Playing in a pass and move team those risky passes he played that came off were league winning. Paqueta is never going to stop taking risks or trying the difficult pass. Nor should he. He isn't as good as DeBruyne, obviously, but he is a fucking good player who is clearly very frustrated at West Ham. More to the point his type of football is what West Ham should be aspiring too, not lowering our expectations to the likes of JWP, fantastic pass completion rate; Soucek, can he actually pass? Rodrigues, remind me what he does, Irving, etc.
I give Paqueta great credit for sticking around, probably in the full knowledge that Sullivan wanted to flog him; that playing under Potter (as it was then) would be challenging; and some of us would be daft enough to get on his back.
If Paqueta was the only thing wrong with this club then we would not be in particularly bad place.

Exactly this. KDB is a great shout. I'm also not trying to say Paqueta is near as good, but yes his pass completion is pretty low- even in a team like Man City- because he's trying to make things happen and get on the attack. That's how Paqueta will have been taught to play from being a kid and if you don't want that then why buy the bloke? Coach it out of him and you end up with another JWP too scared to play it forward for fear of losing it. We play with too much fear. We played with fear under Moyes and under Potter. We were too cavalier under Lop.

Big difference for KDB is that he was also playing with players multitudes better than ours, in a settled side who know what he's thinking and he knows what they are thinking. Even then it doesn't come off a lot of the time as the percentage will attest to. The other difference is that they have far better players in MF and defence as well, so losing the ball isn't essentially a death sentence for the team as they can press or harass and win it back usually high up the pitch and not immediately get ripped through resulting in a really good chance for the opposition, like it is for us. It looks a lot worse for us than other teams if we lose possession because we're so shit and disjointed off the ball.

Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him. For that we need a settled midfield and a settled striker, and the reassurance for him that if it goes astray we aren't instantly fucked or under tremendous pressure.

"Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him."


Is it though?  What are you basing this on?  As he hasn't done it for nearly two seasons. 

Mentioning him with KDB for any stat is completely irrelevant.  KDB gets assists and influences games positively going forward. Paqueta doesn't anywhere near enough for his ability.

 

 

yep. Same old.

Chip through to keeper - tick
yellow for dissent — tick
hardly any chances created - tick
0 shots on target - tick

[THUNDERCLINT]

This cսnt been sacked yet?

[southbankbornnbred]

The worst start I’ve ever seen by a West Ham
manager.

I know he’s not, but it genuinely looks like he’s trying to throw matches with his lineups.

Abysmal. Batshit. Call it what you like. He’s got little talent to choose from. But his lineups are obscene. Like he pulled them out of a hat.

[El Scorchio]

I'd honestly sack him after Burnley if he keeps doing this. Surely there's simply going to be no choice but to.

[eusebiovic]

I know our squad is largely shite but I can't believe what I'm seeing with the way he's set them up the last 2 games.

How can he possibly think that has a hope in hell of working?

Mental 

[fraser]

I don't get it we looked so much better at Everton and then Arsenal was just poor but they're a very good team one of the best in Europe.. So wipe our mouths and get on with it.. But the two team selections since have surrendered two games that we might have won with the right line ups... It's fucking baffling... 

[zico]

To make the mistakes he made on Monday were bad enough but to make the same mistakes a few days later is quite frankly unacceptable. Even if he hadn't been injured he was bringing Scarles off. What a disgraceful way to treat any player let alone a youngster. Scarles is a left back so to hang him out to dry not once but twice is really bad management. Same midfield, how does he think that will get better? Absolutely baffling. 

[twoleftfeet]

The Portuguese Moyes.

Who is currently unemployed? Steve Cooper? Russell Martin? 

[goose]

When he came in I thought, it won’t be pretty but we will be more solid & organised. 

fuck me was i wrong. Baffling decisions and zero evidence of any organisation.

[Come On You Irons]

Get this piss taking cսnt out of our club.

No hope Nuno the Numpty.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Paqueta is utter shite, he'd make a great ball juggler busking for coins in Dam square. 

As a Premier League footballer he's not worth a cup of cold piss, if he'd gone to City he'd have just wound up as the Brazilian Kalvin Phillips.

[Rossal]

 

It is entirely relevant in context. KDB was in a pass and move and £ for £ better team. He was also a better player. He gave the ball away more than anyone else despite that. Unlike Paqueta his recovery stats were more or less non existent because of the quality of players around him. Generally Paqueta recovers a lot of lost passes, compensating for his own errors and the lack of colleagues ability.
Fact is Paqueta is a fucking good player. His risk taking is the West Ham way. It can be exciting, entertaining and a pleasure to watch. That he gets fucked off, is inconsistent when regularly played out of position is unsurprising.
He should be judged on his performance in the number 8 role with movement around him. Currently there is Summerville and Bowen. The rest of the midfield has less movement than the average tree.
My points remain.
1. If Paqueta was our only problem at the club we would be in a good place.
2. If expectations have been lowered to the point, and some are satisfied, with the likes of JWP; Soucek; Irving; Rodrigues etc. In midfield instead of Paqueta then OK. But, out of those alternatives where is the creation coming from?
Whilst Paqueta might not have made the last pass in for a goal in the last 2 years he most definitely has been involved often in build up play.
Personally I would like to see Nuno get the best out him by providing a functioning midfield around him. Probably Potts and or Mugassa with time given to Fernandes. Kante and Earthy and possibly Fearon in due course should also have opportunities. Given the state we are in it will be hard but, If he is then regularly shit then bench him. Fact is Soucek; Rodrigues; Irving have all been hanged, weighed and found wanting so should join JWP behind the benches. 
Nuno needs to do something to get the best out of his best players, and fast. Setting up like Monday was truly bad and hopefully a one off mistake.

Sorry thats just ridiculous, mentioning a bloke with a few non pen goals in the last few seasons and zero assists in the same breath of KDB is mental. 

'his risk taking is the west ham way'   what risks? It's not like he creates tonnes of chances, he takes risks and kicks it back to the other team or out for a goal kick thats my point.  Yes he can create, but does it once every 6 weeks so for me its time to find a solution. Drop him, give him a kick up the arse or put him in a 3 with Fernandes and Potts/Magassa. 

I pray we have a recall clause on Alvarez, fucking mental to let him go on loan. 

[Massive Attack]

Absolutely mental calling out Nuno. The issues lay with the idiotic dwarf and the useless Tory whore . 

100% he deserves calling out for those wacky tactics and selections made on the Team Sheet. 

[Pshyco scored all 4]

Absolutely mental calling out Nuno. The issues lay with the idiotic dwarf and the useless Tory whore . 

[Sir Alf]

Make you right Eusebiovic and as I keep boring on about, the failure  to replace Rice has really exposed what was a limited, one dimensional squad under Moyes. Rice was like 2 players a lot of the time. His ability to cover the pitch is still as evident at Arsenal. I watched him last week and the game before at Nrwcsdtle, he eats up ground and pops up all over the park, intercepts and wins the ball back relentlessly and rarely gives it away and has excellent passing ability at speed.  

The sale of Rice, we got Alvarez and he is decent trchnically but too slow and gets exposed for it. 2 seasons later we finallyget Magassa but he aint the same type of player either and while I saw glimpses against Everton of a good player he aint “oven teady” for the Premiership. Potts just doesnt get a run in the team but he again is not going to plug the “ Rice shaped hole “ we have.   

I know he allegedly has an attitude issue and is gettimg on a bit at 28 but I would get Bissouma in on loan asap.  He is out of favour at Spurs because of the aforementioned attitude but we need someone who has proved he is strong, quick and covers the pitch like Rice. He aint as good but even Rice saif he was one of the hardest midfielderd he faced back when Bissouma was at Brighton. 

[eusebiovic]

Exactly this. KDB is a great shout. I'm also not trying to say Paqueta is near as good, but yes his pass completion is pretty low- even in a team like Man City- because he's trying to make things happen and get on the attack. That's how Paqueta will have been taught to play from being a kid and if you don't want that then why buy the bloke? Coach it out of him and you end up with another JWP too scared to play it forward for fear of losing it. We play with too much fear. We played with fear under Moyes and under Potter. We were too cavalier under Lop.

Big difference for KDB is that he was also playing with players multitudes better than ours, in a settled side who know what he's thinking and he knows what they are thinking. Even then it doesn't come off a lot of the time as the percentage will attest to. The other difference is that they have far better players in MF and defence as well, so losing the ball isn't essentially a death sentence for the team as they can press or harass and win it back usually high up the pitch and not immediately get ripped through resulting in a really good chance for the opposition, like it is for us. It looks a lot worse for us than other teams if we lose possession because we're so shit and disjointed off the ball.

Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him. For that we need a settled midfield and a settled striker, and the reassurance for him that if it goes astray we aren't instantly fucked or under tremendous pressure.

"Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him."


Is it though?  What are you basing this on?  As he hasn't done it for nearly two seasons. 

Mentioning him with KDB for any stat is completely irrelevant.  KDB gets assists and influences games positively going forward. Paqueta doesn't anywhere near enough for his ability.

No he hasn't- and aside from Bowen no-one has- because the whole team is a mess. The point being if you want a player like him to perform, then you have to build them a platform to be able to be successful. And if not Paqueta out of our current squad, then who? There's no-one else.

 

 

He's clearly lost his mojo...I think he is at his best on the left side of 3 central midfielders - We need 1 midfielder who is an expert at sitting in front of the defence making them look far better than they really are. Then the two inside midfielders on the right and left can bomb forwards and track back as the full backs overlap.

Unfortunately our ad hoc, laissez-faire and unfocused approach to squad recruitment has rarely resulted in creating a balanced, settled environment for players to thrive. It always goes back to the same fuckin' point.

In 15 years Rice was the only one who did that properly and Kouyate when he was here was decent more often than not. Apart from that it's always been a case of shoehorning midfielders who would've been much more effective further forward. Noble being the textbook example. He was NEVER a defensive midfielder. His best performances were always when he pushed further forward rather than defending deep.

The same with Bowen now - he ain't a target man in a million years - he's a wide forward who cuts inside and can finish in devastating fashion with his left foot. Why neutralise his talent? 

No credible striker... that's why.

[ATHammer]

 

Mentioning him with KDB for any stat is completely irrelevant.  KDB gets assists and influences games positively going forward. Paqueta doesn't anywhere near enough for his ability.

It is entirely relevant in context. KDB was in a pass and move and £ for £ better team. He was also a better player. He gave the ball away more than anyone else despite that. Unlike Paqueta his recovery stats were more or less non existent because of the quality of players around him. Generally Paqueta recovers a lot of lost passes, compensating for his own errors and the lack of colleagues ability.
Fact is Paqueta is a fucking good player. His risk taking is the West Ham way. It can be exciting, entertaining and a pleasure to watch. That he gets fucked off, is inconsistent when regularly played out of position is unsurprising.
He should be judged on his performance in the number 8 role with movement around him. Currently there is Summerville and Bowen. The rest of the midfield has less movement than the average tree.
My points remain.
1. If Paqueta was our only problem at the club we would be in a good place.
2. If expectations have been lowered to the point, and some are satisfied, with the likes of JWP; Soucek; Irving; Rodrigues etc. In midfield instead of Paqueta then OK. But, out of those alternatives where is the creation coming from?
Whilst Paqueta might not have made the last pass in for a goal in the last 2 years he most definitely has been involved often in build up play.
Personally I would like to see Nuno get the best out him by providing a functioning midfield around him. Probably Potts and or Mugassa with time given to Fernandes. Kante and Earthy and possibly Fearon in due course should also have opportunities. Given the state we are in it will be hard but, If he is then regularly shit then bench him. Fact is Soucek; Rodrigues; Irving have all been hanged, weighed and found wanting so should join JWP behind the benches. 
Nuno needs to do something to get the best out of his best players, and fast. Setting up like Monday was truly bad and hopefully a one off mistake.

[El Scorchio]

 

Disagree. Kevin DeBruyne had one of the worst completion rates, regularly, in the Premier league. Playing in a pass and move team those risky passes he played that came off were league winning. Paqueta is never going to stop taking risks or trying the difficult pass. Nor should he. He isn't as good as DeBruyne, obviously, but he is a fucking good player who is clearly very frustrated at West Ham. More to the point his type of football is what West Ham should be aspiring too, not lowering our expectations to the likes of JWP, fantastic pass completion rate; Soucek, can he actually pass? Rodrigues, remind me what he does, Irving, etc.
I give Paqueta great credit for sticking around, probably in the full knowledge that Sullivan wanted to flog him; that playing under Potter (as it was then) would be challenging; and some of us would be daft enough to get on his back.
If Paqueta was the only thing wrong with this club then we would not be in particularly bad place.

Exactly this. KDB is a great shout. I'm also not trying to say Paqueta is near as good, but yes his pass completion is pretty low- even in a team like Man City- because he's trying to make things happen and get on the attack. That's how Paqueta will have been taught to play from being a kid and if you don't want that then why buy the bloke? Coach it out of him and you end up with another JWP too scared to play it forward for fear of losing it. We play with too much fear. We played with fear under Moyes and under Potter. We were too cavalier under Lop.

Big difference for KDB is that he was also playing with players multitudes better than ours, in a settled side who know what he's thinking and he knows what they are thinking. Even then it doesn't come off a lot of the time as the percentage will attest to. The other difference is that they have far better players in MF and defence as well, so losing the ball isn't essentially a death sentence for the team as they can press or harass and win it back usually high up the pitch and not immediately get ripped through resulting in a really good chance for the opposition, like it is for us. It looks a lot worse for us than other teams if we lose possession because we're so shit and disjointed off the ball.

Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him. For that we need a settled midfield and a settled striker, and the reassurance for him that if it goes astray we aren't instantly fucked or under tremendous pressure.

"Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him."


Is it though?  What are you basing this on?  As he hasn't done it for nearly two seasons. 

Mentioning him with KDB for any stat is completely irrelevant.  KDB gets assists and influences games positively going forward. Paqueta doesn't anywhere near enough for his ability.

No he hasn't- and aside from Bowen no-one has- because the whole team is a mess. The point being if you want a player like him to perform, then you have to build them a platform to be able to be successful. And if not Paqueta out of our current squad, then who? There's no-one else.