As I said Sacking Potter wasn’t the answer

[Prometheus59]

Nuno is even worse 

[ragingbull]

Yeah 360, its been something Ive been pondering for a while.  What are they seeing? Must be the tea as you say.  Soucek and Irvine as a central defensive pivot? I mean, what was the question that was answering ?

Cheech and Chong must be on the catering staff these days...

Come to think of it that's now going to be my new nickname for Kilman and Todibo

Both go up in smoke when threatened.

[eusebiovic]

Yeah 360, its been something Ive been pondering for a while.  What are they seeing? Must be the tea as you say.  Soucek and Irvine as a central defensive pivot? I mean, what was the question that was answering ?

Cheech and Chong must be on the catering staff these days...

Come to think of it that's now going to be my new nickname for Kilman and Todibo

[Sir Alf]

Yeah 360, its been something Ive been pondering for a while.  What are they seeing? Must be the tea as you say.  Soucek and Irvine as a central defensive pivot? I mean, what was the question that was answering ?

[threesixty]

Ultimately the blame lies with Sullivan as he is the one who is in charge. But it is baffling why so many of our managers make crazy decisions that no one understands but them!

Maybe as a fan we know after watching soucek and JWP in midfield for weeks on end that we have a slow un creative midfield. Nuno seemed to understand that early doors but then after the break he reinstates the same slow and uncreative midfield again? I’ve sen Potter , Moyes, Loppy and now Nuno do shit I just can’t explain. 

It’s not Sullivan saying don’t play Wilson. It’s not Sullivan insisting on JWP being vice captain etc. so must play. It’s not Kilman picking himself fo every fucking game ever. 

West Ham just seem to get in these managers that as soon as they get to us start doing mad shit they never did before. Something in the tea at chadwell heath???
 

[Mike Oxsaw]

You know exactly what will happen with the stadium.

The government will move heaven & earth to try to get a bunch of Arabs to buy the whole QE2 park (Chinese are off the menu, even though they've got the money), laying on every sweetener (and back-hander they can get away with), and just when they think they're about to get the deal over the line, the Thames Barrier will be industrially breached and the whole area will be North Sea fucked for decades.

Welcome to world class life.

[eusebiovic]

Things won’t improve until the current regime have gone and we have an actual football stadium of our own to play in. 

He ain't getting his hands on that stadium. He only got it in the first place due to the baked alaska with a brain injury that was mayor at that particular time.

Reading the room, I also can't see a Tory getting the mayor's seat anytime soon and even if it did happen they are going to have to build some case to justify any decision to hand over the keys.

That's the kind of thing that can trigger an early election if handled badly and would open a Pandora's box of all manner of shit. 

I just can't see it myself.

[Any Old Iron]

Things won’t improve until the current regime have gone and we have an actual football stadium of our own to play in. 

[Russ of the BML]

The managers are just a symptom of the disease. Get rid or the disease and the symptoms get better. 

[El Scorchio]

Maybe Sullivan has decided that as no one will match his valuation and buy the club, he can afford to simply let it wither and die.

No. He's not going to do that. That would just be cutting his nose off to spite his face and losing him more and more money and we know that's the one thing a greedy man can't allow. Even an idiot knows it's better to have 2/3 of what they wanted rather than 1/2 of what they wanted.

[Mex Martillo]

When you have had 4 managers failing since we won the European Conference Cup, you have to see the problem is bigger than the manager.
Yes it is the entire set up, which is down to Sullivan and Brady.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Maybe Sullivan has decided that as no one will match his valuation and buy the club, he can afford to simply let it wither and die.

[Keep dreaming]

Maybe it wasn't the answer, but what was the question?

If the question was how to fix West Han, the answer will always be Sullivan and Brady 6ft under

[Sir Alf]

Managers not getting results are just a symptom of no plan or strategy from the owner and his side kick and one that involves himself in football related decisions with zero expertise or know how.  He just makes it up as he goes. And guess what? Its all come tumbling down on him and us. 

 

[ATHammer]

Nope, sacking Potter wasn't the answer, cսnt should never have been employed in the first place. 
If the criteria for selection starts with unemployed, rather than the best person for the job, then we get the mess we are now in. None of the last four managers would ever have got a job on objective "best athlete" selection criteria. They probably would not even have made a shortlist on objective criteria.
If Nuno starts Irving and Soucek against Newcastle the he also needs to be fucked off out the door as he clearly doesn't fancy the job.
Sadly, no manager will be successful without a proper club identity; infrastructure; agile management and business plan in place.
The answer is getting rid of the fuckwits that refuse to set the club up to succeed and who make the ridiculous appointments in the first place 

[eusebiovic]

Neither was employing him...

Lopetegui would've kept us up even if it did feel like the worse type of white knuckle rollercoaster ride.

Not a validation btw 

[onsideman]

Yeah, the last 2 years of that 4 year spell we managed to finish with only 40 points one season and then the following year conceded 74 goals, more than any other team that wasn't relegated. The rot had set in long before Moyes left. If anything the good period under him was the blip, with the lockdown probably being a helpful factor.

The freak Lockdown period was what turbo charged our success at that time when no one was allowed in that poxy Stadium. He benefitted massively from that luxury that no one else in our history has ever been afforded. 

Yeah that and the freak Lingard second lockdown period with 9 goals and 5 assists in 16 games

[Sweep]

We did have a little spell, maybe eighteen months,  where expectations were lower, we could do little wrong in the transfer market, player fitness mostly held up, older players flourished and where Rice grew as a player.

 

[Massive Attack]

Yeah, the last 2 years of that 4 year spell we managed to finish with only 40 points one season and then the following year conceded 74 goals, more than any other team that wasn't relegated. The rot had set in long before Moyes left. If anything the good period under him was the blip, with the lockdown probably being a helpful factor.

The freak Lockdown period was what turbo charged our success at that time when no one was allowed in that poxy Stadium. He benefitted massively from that luxury that no one else in our history has ever been afforded. 

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

Yeah, the last 2 years of that 4 year spell we managed to finish with only 40 points one season and then the following year conceded 74 goals, more than any other team that wasn't relegated. The rot had set in long before Moyes left. If anything the good period under him was the blip, with the lockdown probably being a helpful factor.

[threesixty]

We had a 4 year spell where our average finishing posion was 9th, we had 3 good runs in Europe, we won a cup and we finished above Everton every season.

The next 2 seasons we're below Everton and heading towards relegation.

Is there a common denominator?

 

 

 

 

“Average” is a powerful statistic that is often used to give a false impression of what actually happened. 

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

nothing Potter ever did suggested he was tactically astute enough or he was able to handle bigger players. We never had a Di Canio / Roeder situation to talk about, but I bet that was going on in the training ground and dressing room. Well rid.

Obviously there was a lot of talk about Potter clashing with players like Alvarez and Todibo, but didn't they clash with Lopetegui as well? 

Nuno coming in and immediately chucking out one of our first team regulars from the squad suggests that he might be a bit stronger willed. It would have made sense doing that if JWP was a troublemaker or bad influence but I always hear that he is a very professional and easy going bloke who's well liked in the dressing room. In which case it doesn't bode well for how he handles man management either.

[Massive Attack]

 Nuno is a proven Premier League boss with a good track record and needs to be backed in January and next summer (even if we go down). 

He'd need to be launched out the Club if he takes us down.

[Billy Blagg]

He certainly isn't. Let's not forget Nuno is dealing with what Potter did - or rather didn't do - during the summer. Nuno is a proven Premier League boss with a good track record and needs to be backed in January and next summer (even if we go down). Potter was never the answer and it's long been obvious that what he achieved at Brighton - and in all honesty, it wasn't much in view of what has happened there since - was a flash in the pan. A Chelsea colleague of mine told me exactly what we could expect from Potter and everything he said was right on the button. I got behind him as WHU boss, but nothing Potter ever did suggested he was tactically astute enough or he was able to handle bigger players. We never had a Di Canio / Roeder situation to talk about, but I bet that was going on in the training ground and dressing room. Well rid.

[southbankbornnbred]

Whisper this quietly, but I'm not convinced we've got value for money for Fernandes either this summer, who was another marquee signing for the manager at the time.

Steady on, Trunds. I had a visit from the thought police, merely for suggesting that he isn't that great and looked considerably overvalued before we signed him.

You can't just go around having these dissident opinions, you know. This is Starmer's Britain. You've got to toe the PR line and serve up plates of gently heated warm diarrhoea.

[El Scorchio]

Was fuck all wrong with Scamacca and Haller. We just managed to berk it up, especially Scamacca who we should have persevered with. I honestly cannot believe we were stupid enough to fuck him off. He could have set us up for years up front building a decent Team around him whilst still having Bowen ratting around him.

He was/is a beast of a Striker that was only just getting going in his career. Helped us win a European Cup in his 1st season in new Country and then instantly helps win a better European Trophy for new lesser Club Atalanta.

We are fucking braindead as a Football Club.

 

Massively agree on Scamacca. It was clear Moyes wasn't using him purposely out of spite. With both he and Haller, they were so poorly scouted as round pegs in square holes for the kind of team we were at the times they joined. You could see glimpses of his quality when he actually go on the pitch. You buy a Scamacca, you have to give them the means to score goals. Sullivan again thinking all strikers are the same and any striker will be able to just do the job required by the manager's tactics rather than understanding if you play a certain way you need a certain kind of striker. I was really hoping we'd just loan Scamacca out and bring him back after Moyes left. Great first season back in Italy and then of course did the most West Ham thing ever and did his ACL..

I'll go further. I thought we actually had it right with the bloke who helped bring Scamacca here who has a decent track record in the Prem, Rob Newman getting him from Man City. We then decide to fuck him off for the latest flavour of month, Steidten. Rob Newman helped construct a decent Squad whilst with us and Scamacca was a decent valuation too. Since he left all the divs behind the scenes have since deconstructed our Squad in to the shit tip it now is.

https://www.hammers.news/club-news/sass ... -is-rated/

Down with that. Newman one of a long line of scapegoats for Sullivan to throw under a bus and cower behind.