Remembrance Sunday

[One Sunny Day]

Today is a day of rememberance and appreciation for ALL who fought against the Nazis and Fascists. My great uncle died on the beaches of Italy to make us safe from these cunts and their ideology. The least I can do is to continue to speak out against them, especially the ones in our own country who support these ideals but hide behind false patriotism and a poppy they disrespect..
 

[Pub Bigot]

Celtic fans proving they're scum yet again

They’ve never not been. 

[Nutsin]

[Massive Attack]

Was heartwarming to see so many turning out today at Cenotaphs up and down the Country in paying our respects. That's what is most important today remembering the glorious dead. Lest we forget.

[Mad Dog]

Celtic fans proving they're scum yet again

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Good post, mate. I'd take slight exception to the first paragraph. Whilst people only became aware of the death camps after the war, the British public were well aware that the Germans hated Jews and were more than a little rum. London's Jews and cockneys had already routed Mosley, remember.

Second paragraph is spot on.

 

Fair point. Churchill did mention the treatment of the Jews in the build up to the war, but we went to war because Germany invaded Poland and to contain the Nazi expansion. There were no references to the plight of the Jews as the casus beli for the war. So yes, people were aware the Germans were persecuting the Jews, but there is nothing in the history books to suggest that's what motivated people to fight the Germans. Listen to the war time songs, the films and TV shows made after the war, it was all about patriotism.

As for Mosely and Cable St. There is a good account of this in Micheal Collins' The Likes of Us, his biography of London's working class which he won the Orwell prize for political writing. The idea that ordinary working-class cockneys were versed in abstract political ideologies enough to man barricades is implausible. The counter rally was organised by a splinter group of the Labour party, the ILP (the 1930s equivalent of Momentum). The Jews and the communists were also organised in opposing him, but Collins makes the point that the working-class east-end involvement in opposing Mosely was motivated by the sight of men marching in black shirts looking foreign and alien. It's also true that the battle directly led to a surge of recruitment into the Union of Fascists who went on to rampage down the Mile End road attacking Jewish shops. It's undoubtably true that most people were opposed to Mosely but the idea that Cable St was a popular spontaneous expression of east end revulsion of fascism is a myth.

Cable Street was MOSTLY about East Enders showing solidarity with and sticking up for their Jewish neighbours.

The BNP and equally the Communist Party's presence in the UK was pathetic. A tribute to both Labour and the Conservatives who both represented oppositional but reasonable alternatives.

[zebthecat]

Whatever the (modern) political arguments, this 2 minutes silence, and the understanding of why we have it, is one of the core national attributes that makes me proud, very proud, to be British.

Exactly.

[zebthecat]

While he did not set out the plan it was pretty clear from the books that the struggle of the German peoples for room and resources against others, especially jews, inevitably meant a total victory was required and there was certainly no place for them in his vision of a greater Germany. 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Whatever the (modern) political arguments, this 2 minutes silence, and the understanding of why we have it, is one of the core national attributes that makes me proud, very proud, to be British.

[Far Cough UKunt]

The idea of the extermination of the Jews was conducted in great secrecy at the Wannsee conference. Conspiracy a film about this with Kenneth Branagh as Reinhard Heydrich covers the subject.

[wils]

Adolf Hitler proposed the extermination of the Jews at great length in Mein Kampf which was written in the mid 1920s and made no secret of his views thereafter.
I went to my town's rememberence parade and open air service as usual.
There was a good crowd gathered in the watery sun.

That's not true. It's obviously antisemitic and lays the idealogical groundwork for their persecution, but it did not propose their extermination. The 'final solution' was developed over two years after Britain's declaration of war on Germany.

[zebthecat]

Adolf Hitler proposed the extermination of the Jews at great length in Mein Kampf which was written in the mid 1920s and made no secret of his views thereafter.
I went to my town's rememberence parade and open air service as usual.
There was a good crowd gathered in the watery sun.

[wils]

Good post, mate. I'd take slight exception to the first paragraph. Whilst people only became aware of the death camps after the war, the British public were well aware that the Germans hated Jews and were more than a little rum. London's Jews and cockneys had already routed Mosley, remember.

Second paragraph is spot on.

 

 

Fair point. Churchill did mention the treatment of the Jews in the build up to the war, but we went to war because Germany invaded Poland and to contain the Nazi expansion. There were no references to the plight of the Jews as the casus beli for the war. So yes, people were aware the Germans were persecuting the Jews, but there is nothing in the history books to suggest that's what motivated people to fight the Germans. Listen to the war time songs, the films and TV shows made after the war, it was all about patriotism.

As for Mosely and Cable St. There is a good account of this in Micheal Collins' The Likes of Us, his biography of London's working class which he won the Orwell prize for political writing. The idea that ordinary working-class cockneys were versed in abstract political ideologies enough to man barricades is implausible. The counter rally was organised by a splinter group of the Labour party, the ILP (the 1930s equivalent of Momentum). The Jews and the communists were also organised in opposing him, but Collins makes the point that the working-class east-end involvement in opposing Mosely was motivated by the sight of men marching in black shirts looking foreign and alien. It's also true that the battle directly led to a surge of recruitment into the Union of Fascists who went on to rampage down the Mile End road attacking Jewish shops. It's undoubtably true that most people were opposed to Mosely but the idea that Cable St was a popular spontaneous expression of east end revulsion of fascism is a myth.

[Fauxstralian]

I’m sure Mr Hitler made several speeches before & during the war about Jewish people & several would have escaped to Britain
The sheer extent of the concentration camps wasn’t known til later but was no doubt what Adolf was up to & his opinion of anyone who wasn’t part of his master race

[Pub Bigot]

I went to St George’s Hall in Liverpool to observe the remembrance service, and it was very moving. The first to lay a wreath was a 101 year old veteran who participated in the beach landings at 17. I’m not particularly emotional, but as he lay his wreath and saluted the fallen, I felt a lump in my throat. 

What a man, all great men, all should never be forgotten. 

 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Today is a day of rememberance and appreciation for ALL who fought against the Nazis and Fascists. My great uncle died on the beaches of Italy to make us safe from these cunts and their ideology. The least I can do is to continue to speak out against them, especially the ones in our own country who support these ideals but hide behind false patriotism and a poppy they disrespect..


 

I think you'll find our relatives who fought for England against Germany had no idea about political ideologies of their opponents and like most people only became aware of the extent of what was going on after the war ended.

If we wanted keep to keep Europe safe from Nazism and Fascism the lessons you would learn from the World War Two is you need a united and proud nation whose citizens were prepared to risk their lives fighting for. Unfortunately, diversity and 'anti-fascist' politics (that your post alludes to) that set about to kill our sense of nationhood has left Europe vulnerable to extreme political ideologies as no one is now prepared to fight for their country as a consequence of them.  https://www.europinion.uk/post/should-i ... n-house-me 

Good post, mate. I'd take slight exception to the first paragraph. Whilst people only became aware of the death camps after the war, the British public were well aware that the Germans hated Jews and were more than a little rum. London's Jews and cockneys had already routed Mosley, remember.

Second paragraph is spot on.

[,]

We attended, as every year, our local service of remembrance. No politics involved, the flags were those of the RBL, scouts, guides, Boys brigade etc. The same as every year and as well supported as ever.

When home I opened up this thread and find the same twerps making cheap political points over something that should be apolitical.

[wils]

Today is a day of rememberance and appreciation for ALL who fought against the Nazis and Fascists. My great uncle died on the beaches of Italy to make us safe from these cunts and their ideology. The least I can do is to continue to speak out against them, especially the ones in our own country who support these ideals but hide behind false patriotism and a poppy they disrespect..



 

I think you'll find our relatives who fought for England against Germany had no idea about political ideologies of their opponents and like most people only became aware of the extent of what was going on after the war ended.

If we wanted keep to keep Europe safe from Nazism and Fascism the lessons you would learn from the World War Two is you need a united and proud nation whose citizens were prepared to risk their lives fighting for. Unfortunately, diversity and 'anti-fascist' politics (that your post alludes to) that set about to kill our sense of nationhood has left Europe vulnerable to extreme political ideologies as no one is now prepared to fight for their country as a consequence of them.  https://www.europinion.uk/post/should-i ... n-house-me 

This is interesting. I have been wondering, like you, to what extent the population of the UK would be prepared to go to war. Certainly most of the comments on here, including your own, suggest a lack of unity about what we as a nation, or even we as members of an online forum would be prepared to fight for. This seems to have been the case before world war two certainly with the rise of a pro Nazi party under Mosely and of those who equally opposed Hitler.

Perhaps the question is wrong.

Perhaps the nature of democracy is that there will always be dissent towards those who govern and therefore the unity you strive for is unattainable under normal conditions. The opposite of democracy is any ideology which seeks to silence that dissent, left or right. So perhaps the question is therefore what would this nation be prepared to fight against. I think we could see how quickly the nation might unite against an invasion by Putin, but even Trump has voiced the possibility for taking over neighbouring states by force so perhaps we would oppose that too. Who knows? 

In the meantime, express your opinions as you will, rail against those who govern us, as is our right, but remember that by joining those who seek to impose that unity by destroying those who argue the opposite are the anti-democrats and as such are much more of danger to the democratic nation (however flawed) in which we live. 

No one fights 'against' anything - that's a leftist fantasy. People fight 'for' things: for king and country, for their families, for God, for liberty, for their rights, for their future, for their livelihoods. If you destroy the things that bind us, the things that give us a sense of belonging and define who we are, then people have nothing to fight for. So if you bought into the open society and supported all the policies that destroyed the things that bound and united us, it's time to look around and own the consequences. This miserable mess is what you all wanted.

[frank marker]

Today is a day of rememberance and appreciation for ALL who fought against the Nazis and Fascists. My great uncle died on the beaches of Italy to make us safe from these cunts and their ideology. The least I can do is to continue to speak out against them, especially the ones in our own country who support these ideals but hide behind false patriotism and a poppy they disrespect..


 

I think you'll find our relatives who fought for England against Germany had no idea about political ideologies of their opponents and like most people only became aware of the extent of what was going on after the war ended.

If we wanted keep to keep Europe safe from Nazism and Fascism the lessons you would learn from the World War Two is you need a united and proud nation whose citizens were prepared to risk their lives fighting for. Unfortunately, diversity and 'anti-fascist' politics (that your post alludes to) that set about to kill our sense of nationhood has left Europe vulnerable to extreme political ideologies as no one is now prepared to fight for their country as a consequence of them.  https://www.europinion.uk/post/should-i ... n-house-me 

This is interesting. I have been wondering, like you, to what extent the population of the UK would be prepared to go to war. Certainly most of the comments on here, including your own, suggest a lack of unity about what we as a nation, or even we as members of an online forum would be prepared to fight for. This seems to have been the case before world war two certainly with the rise of a pro Nazi party under Mosely and of those who equally opposed Hitler.

Perhaps the question is wrong.

Perhaps the nature of democracy is that there will always be dissent towards those who govern and therefore the unity you strive for is unattainable under normal conditions. The opposite of democracy is any ideology which seeks to silence that dissent, left or right. So perhaps the question is therefore what would this nation be prepared to fight against. I think we could see how quickly the nation might unite against an invasion by Putin, but even Trump has voiced the possibility for taking over neighbouring states by force so perhaps we would oppose that too. Who knows? 

In the meantime, express your opinions as you will, rail against those who govern us, as is our right, but remember that by joining those who seek to impose that unity by destroying those who argue the opposite are the anti-democrats and as such are much more of danger to the democratic nation (however flawed) in which we live. 

[THUNDERCLINT]

One party totalitarian police state
You calling Trump a LEFTIST?

Last I checked there were atleast 2 parties in the US so on that alone your argument collapses.

[Takashi Miike]

leftist fascists

 

All fascism is left wing. Fascism like Stalinism, Communism, Socialism etc has at it's core a one party totalitarian police state.

The idea of Nazi and Fascist being far right is a lie, a lie they tell you to obfuscate the true horrors of their ideology.

If we're working on a continum of extremes the opposite of far left one party totalitarian police state governance is no government at all. The far right are therefore Anarchists.

Anyone know any anarchists? No? Exactly.

Respect to the fallen. May they rest in peace.

mention communism, and up pops the fake Australian cսnt

[Lee Trundle]

Jesus fucking Christ. 

I know the idiot started the thread off with a politics angle, but you boring cunts didn't have to take the bait and turn this into another boring, shitty political thread again on here. 

You've ruined this remembrance thread.

[Fauxstralian]

One party totalitarian police state
You calling Trump a LEFTIST?

[THUNDERCLINT]

leftist fascists

 

 

All fascism is left wing. Fascism like Stalinism, Communism, Socialism etc has at it's core a one party totalitarian police state.

The idea of Nazi and Fascist being far right is a lie, a lie they tell you to obfuscate the true horrors of their ideology.

If we're working on a continum of extremes the opposite of far left one party totalitarian police state governance is no government at all. The far right are therefore Anarchists.

Anyone know any anarchists? No? Exactly.

Respect to the fallen. May they rest in peace.

[BerlingtonBertie]

Who would fight for Keir or earholes….no mussies in the trenches thats for sure

[wils]

Today is a day of rememberance and appreciation for ALL who fought against the Nazis and Fascists. My great uncle died on the beaches of Italy to make us safe from these cunts and their ideology. The least I can do is to continue to speak out against them, especially the ones in our own country who support these ideals but hide behind false patriotism and a poppy they disrespect..

 

I think you'll find our relatives who fought for England against Germany had no idea about political ideologies of their opponents and like most people only became aware of the extent of what was going on after the war ended.

If we wanted keep to keep Europe safe from Nazism and Fascism the lessons you would learn from the World War Two is you need a united and proud nation whose citizens were prepared to risk their lives fighting for. Unfortunately, diversity and 'anti-fascist' politics (that your post alludes to) that set about to kill our sense of nationhood has left Europe vulnerable to extreme political ideologies as no one is now prepared to fight for their country as a consequence of them.  https://www.europinion.uk/post/should-i ... n-house-me