The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Mike
Isnt the concern people coming in and getting benefits & housing rather than them coming in and working?

Apart from acknowledging that anyone travelling from France (ie a safe country) isn’t a refugee you don’t think making refugee status a temporary thing isn’t an improvement?
Or that introducing a Digital ID  & prosecuting anyone employing someone without one also would help

More resources are obviously needed
Perhaps in the modern era of communications we could decrease the number of MP’s from 600 to 60 & the rest could be employed rooting out illegal workers. 

 

If they have a legitimate job offer and are sponsored by the employer, no problem, but there's already an immigration channel/path set up for such cases.

Additionally, there's probably a legal requirement for councils to address homelessness and these illegal immigrants would be the easiest to deal with, and doing so hits targets/ticks boxes.

On the issue if ID cards, no it won't help if (IF) someone is working cash-in-hand below the radar, and the CPS is already overwhelmed with a backlog of cases, so even if it is introduced in theory, in practice it would probably take many years for such cases to reach the review and assessment stage.

If someone can't get work, given that they've already committed an offence by entering the country, it wouldn't be that surprising if a fair percentage of these people turn to (more) crime for support if they can't work (but are free to wander around the community to commit that crime). Guaranteed that such data won't be available though.

And the one-in-one out policy has already been identified as flawed, so that's another waste of taxpayers' money; add in the fact that France doesn't seem too keen to keep such people within it's own national boundaries and it's clear that the solution needs to be 100% home-grown and home-driven.

As for reallocation of resources, the NHS has got to find 1 billion (1 BILLION!!!) pounds to pay for the redundancy of a handful of managers and administrators. Instead of paying them off, open up an avenue for these people to move into a department that helps address illegal immigration and there's an instant win-win for the government (but not the State).

We all know why you don't want the digital ID cards because it would catch you out wouldn't it!

And we can all see that you have absolutely zero knowledge and experience of living and working abroad.

Incidentally, all UK pensioners are specifically excluded from being required to hold a Karmercard, so how would that impact me?

[XKhammer]

Mike
Isnt the concern people coming in and getting benefits & housing rather than them coming in and working?

Apart from acknowledging that anyone travelling from France (ie a safe country) isn’t a refugee you don’t think making refugee status a temporary thing isn’t an improvement?
Or that introducing a Digital ID  & prosecuting anyone employing someone without one also would help

More resources are obviously needed
Perhaps in the modern era of communications we could decrease the number of MP’s from 600 to 60 & the rest could be employed rooting out illegal workers. 

 

If they have a legitimate job offer and are sponsored by the employer, no problem, but there's already an immigration channel/path set up for such cases.

Additionally, there's probably a legal requirement for councils to address homelessness and these illegal immigrants would be the easiest to deal with, and doing so hits targets/ticks boxes.

On the issue if ID cards, no it won't help if (IF) someone is working cash-in-hand below the radar, and the CPS is already overwhelmed with a backlog of cases, so even if it is introduced in theory, in practice it would probably take many years for such cases to reach the review and assessment stage.

If someone can't get work, given that they've already committed an offence by entering the country, it wouldn't be that surprising if a fair percentage of these people turn to (more) crime for support if they can't work (but are free to wander around the community to commit that crime). Guaranteed that such data won't be available though.

And the one-in-one out policy has already been identified as flawed, so that's another waste of taxpayers' money; add in the fact that France doesn't seem too keen to keep such people within it's own national boundaries and it's clear that the solution needs to be 100% home-grown and home-driven.

As for reallocation of resources, the NHS has got to find 1 billion (1 BILLION!!!) pounds to pay for the redundancy of a handful of managers and administrators. Instead of paying them off, open up an avenue for these people to move into a department that helps address illegal immigration and there's an instant win-win for the government (but not the State).

We all know why you don't want the digital ID cards because it would catch you out wouldn't it!

[Mike Oxsaw]

Mike
Isnt the concern people coming in and getting benefits & housing rather than them coming in and working?

Apart from acknowledging that anyone travelling from France (ie a safe country) isn’t a refugee you don’t think making refugee status a temporary thing isn’t an improvement?
Or that introducing a Digital ID  & prosecuting anyone employing someone without one also would help

More resources are obviously needed
Perhaps in the modern era of communications we could decrease the number of MP’s from 600 to 60 & the rest could be employed rooting out illegal workers. 

 

 

If they have a legitimate job offer and are sponsored by the employer, no problem, but there's already an immigration channel/path set up for such cases.

Additionally, there's probably a legal requirement for councils to address homelessness and these illegal immigrants would be the easiest to deal with, and doing so hits targets/ticks boxes.

On the issue if ID cards, no it won't help if (IF) someone is working cash-in-hand below the radar, and the CPS is already overwhelmed with a backlog of cases, so even if it is introduced in theory, in practice it would probably take many years for such cases to reach the review and assessment stage.

If someone can't get work, given that they've already committed an offence by entering the country, it wouldn't be that surprising if a fair percentage of these people turn to (more) crime for support if they can't work (but are free to wander around the community to commit that crime). Guaranteed that such data won't be available though.

And the one-in-one out policy has already been identified as flawed, so that's another waste of taxpayers' money; add in the fact that France doesn't seem too keen to keep such people within it's own national boundaries and it's clear that the solution needs to be 100% home-grown and home-driven.

As for reallocation of resources, the NHS has got to find 1 billion (1 BILLION!!!) pounds to pay for the redundancy of a handful of managers and administrators. Instead of paying them off, open up an avenue for these people to move into a department that helps address illegal immigration and there's an instant win-win for the government (but not the State).

[XKhammer]

Mike
Isnt the concern people coming in and getting benefits & housing rather than them coming in and working?

Apart from acknowledging that anyone travelling from France (ie a safe country) isn’t a refugee you don’t think making refugee status a temporary thing isn’t an improvement?
Or that introducing a Digital ID  & prosecuting anyone employing someone without one also would help

More resources are obviously needed
Perhaps in the modern era of communications we could decrease the number of MP’s from 600 to 60 & the rest could be employed rooting out illegal workers. 

Dream on if think the MP's will vote themselves out of a well paid corrupt job and actually do a proper job like rooting out illegals,but 100% agree with using digital ID and seizing the assets of any companies etc who hire illegals 

[Fauxstralian]

Mike
Isnt the concern people coming in and getting benefits & housing rather than them coming in and working?

Apart from acknowledging that anyone travelling from France (ie a safe country) isn’t a refugee you don’t think making refugee status a temporary thing isn’t an improvement?
Or that introducing a Digital ID  & prosecuting anyone employing someone without one also would help

More resources are obviously needed
Perhaps in the modern era of communications we could decrease the number of MP’s from 600 to 60 & the rest could be employed rooting out illegal workers. 

[XKhammer]

Bring in a British Rights Act overriding ECHR (this will upset the woke/loony left)
No asylum claim rights if you entered the country illegally 
No benefits = no boats
Bring in ID cards for all work/benefits/travel(this will upset conspiracy theorist loony right)

[Mike Oxsaw]

More "being-seen-to-be-doing-something" tinkering around the edges with regards to the illegal immigration problem, I see.

It won't stop the people coming over (in boats) because:

1. The government lacks the resources to chase down and deport all who arrive. The State/Establishment certainly lack the enthusiasm to do so,
2. Those arriving know they can easily find work in the black/grey economy, out of sight of any authority,
3. There are people (legally) in the country knowledgeable enough on the way things work to get around any legal/authoritarian restrictions and make a fast buck themselves while doing so.

Also, with regard to the numbers being bounced around concerning the removals, how many of those are illegal boat arrivals and how many are down to the administrative changes brought about by Brexit?
 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Of course
Starmer Sunak Truss Johnson & Cameron … probably the worst 5 PM’s in living memory. 

This government has been as dithering & incompetent as the last
Starmer is supposed to be a Kings Counsel so you’d expect some charisma & eloquence but he is a gibbering confused mess
Reeves is promoted well beyond her competence & this delayed budget & flip flopping is beyond belief 
I hear the latest wheeze is restricting salary sacrifice into pensions so people are less likely to provide for their own retirement. All while politicians sit on gold plated pensions
They are all dismal which could see an even worse result … the idiot Farage
What a time to be alive 

May, Brown and Callaghan were all worse than Cameron and Sunak. Home, too if you're over sixty.

[Massive Attack]

And farage is a fucking traitor. 

How is he a Traitor to the Country?

[Pshyco scored all 4]

The Tories had 14 years to sort out the homelessness problem. Yet it got worse under them . Labour are no longer labour . And farage is a fucking traitor. No wonder the smaller parties are picking up . Shame Corbyn didn't win in 2017 that would have genuinely pissed off the so called elites who NF is a member of . 

[THUNDERCLINT]

Of course
Starmer Sunak Truss Johnson & Cameron … probably the worst 5 PM’s in living memory. 

This government has been as dithering & incompetent as the last
Starmer is supposed to be a Kings Counsel so you’d expect some charisma & eloquence but he is a gibbering confused mess
Reeves is promoted well beyond her competence & this delayed budget & flip flopping is beyond belief 
I hear the latest wheeze is restricting salary sacrifice into pensions so people are less likely to provide for their own retirement. All while politicians sit on gold plated pensions
They are all dismal which could see an even worse result … the idiot Farage
What a time to be alive 

"Starmer is supposed to be a Kings Counsel so you’d expect some charisma & eloquence but he is a gibbering confused mess"

I've made this point before. It blows my mind how dull he is. I've known barristers socially, and although they are slippery, disingenuous buggers, they are not short on wit and charisma. I wonder how much time Starmer actually spent in court, as opposed to background managerial stuff. I just can't see him being successful at trial. 

He was very successful over the barrel, allegedly.

[THUNDERCLINT]

It was hard given the Tories were in power for 14 years
How did THEY get on?

EVERY time they tried anything LABOUR, LIB DEMS, GREENS, bent lawyers, NGOs all lost their collective shit and derailed it. We haven't forgotten what they did which is why their sudden shift is so laughable and drives Farage closer to power everyday.

[Nurse Ratched]

Of course
Starmer Sunak Truss Johnson & Cameron … probably the worst 5 PM’s in living memory. 

This government has been as dithering & incompetent as the last
Starmer is supposed to be a Kings Counsel so you’d expect some charisma & eloquence but he is a gibbering confused mess
Reeves is promoted well beyond her competence & this delayed budget & flip flopping is beyond belief 
I hear the latest wheeze is restricting salary sacrifice into pensions so people are less likely to provide for their own retirement. All while politicians sit on gold plated pensions
They are all dismal which could see an even worse result … the idiot Farage
What a time to be alive 

"Starmer is supposed to be a Kings Counsel so you’d expect some charisma & eloquence but he is a gibbering confused mess"

I've made this point before. It blows my mind how dull he is. I've known barristers socially, and although they are slippery, disingenuous buggers, they are not short on wit and charisma. I wonder how much time Starmer actually spent in court, as opposed to background managerial stuff. I just can't see him being successful at trial. 

[Eerie Decent]

How on earth could he be worse, you stupid plank?

[Fauxstralian]

Of course
Starmer Sunak Truss Johnson & Cameron … probably the worst 5 PM’s in living memory. 

This government has been as dithering & incompetent as the last
Starmer is supposed to be a Kings Counsel so you’d expect some charisma & eloquence but he is a gibbering confused mess
Reeves is promoted well beyond her competence & this delayed budget & flip flopping is beyond belief 
I hear the latest wheeze is restricting salary sacrifice into pensions so people are less likely to provide for their own retirement. All while politicians sit on gold plated pensions
They are all dismal which could see an even worse result … the idiot Farage
What a time to be alive 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Yes Sven, the Tories were as equally useless as this lot. But that was then, they can only blame the past for so long and then they realise its now their shit to not out. In a few short months we have gone from all being labelled as far right for expressing concerns over illegal immigration to we're getting this sorted.
Disingenuous scum the lot of them.

This is only (ONLY) about Labour staying in power - fuck the country and it's people, government office is all.

They've also realised that they can't keep bad-mouthing UK Reform (/Brexit) (although some of the more sheepish MSM still keep trying), because whatever it is UK Reform are saying, more and more people (voters) are starting to align with their expressed views.

[only1billybonds]

Yes Sven, the Tories were as equally useless as this lot. But that was then, they can only blame the past for so long and then they realise its now their shit to not out. In a few short months we have gone from all being labelled as far right for expressing concerns over illegal immigration to we're getting this sorted.
Disingenuous scum the lot of them.

[Nurse Ratched]

Asylum no longer to be granted permanently apparently. And that needs to be applied retroactively to every asylum claim since it's inception.

Kweer is absolutely shitting himself.

Check their passport records. If they've returned home at any point for a trip, they're safe and can go back permanently. 

[Fauxstralian]

It was hard given the Tories were in power for 14 years
How did THEY get on?

[only1billybonds]

Yet more examples of the contempt these cunts hold for us. Do they really think we wont notice that they have suddenly started playing the hard man on immigration because they have to? If they were genuine, this could have been their position ages ago.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Asylum no longer to be granted permanently apparently. And that needs to be applied retroactively to every asylum claim since it's inception.

Kweer is absolutely shitting himself.

[Nutsin]

[Mike Oxsaw]

Sadly sums it up..

If anyone after seeing this is now not aware of the state's priorities and where British residents' needs sit in their (the state's) pecking order, they should be now.

[Massive Attack]

Sadly sums it up..

[Splodder]

I stand corrected but it took a bit of finding. I searched for "Bristol" on the BBC app home page and not a mention among the other Bristol reports.