Nuno Out

[northbankfrank]

2,500 posts by the end of the season?

[Massive Attack]

Bilic? The same Bilic who played Antonio at right back?

Yeah, a fucking fantastic season. We had injuries in that position. 

[BoleynGone]

let's be fair Antonio played at right back and scored a few goals at right back.
I watched the highlights of West Ham v Liverpool from Jan 2016. 
So much more intensity,desire,attacking and entertainment. The line up was good but had a few players out of position. Tomkins at right back,Antonio left wing and Valencia right wing. Antonio looked like a skinny boy.
Oh for those days.
btw Paqueta wouldn't lace up Payet's or Lanzini's boots,ever
 

[David LE]

Bilic? The same Bilic who played Antonio at right back?

[fraser]

Can we agree that bench game after game is damaging to your soul, it is mine. 


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Blimey a damaged soul, are you on drugs if not I suggest you try some. 

[Sweep]

We have one attacking player at the club who is the right age, reliably fit and of the right quality.

The rest are either knocking on, lack fitness or lack quality. 

Shut Bowen down and then what?

Going on about the manager is pointless if the players ain't good enough. 

Steidten and Sullivan spent £70m-£80m on Fulkrug, Summerville and Guilherme 18 months ago. They've scored 4 goals in a year and half.  Two of them are consistently unavailable. Throw in Paqueta as the show pony of all show ponies.

Three managers have been expected to stick lipstick on a pig in that time.




 

[BoleynGone]

Two left, yes you're wrong as per, about the youth. Potts is not a youth player anymore he's 22, Scarles was used by him in the wrong position twice,probably the biggest error of the PL season so blatant was it with the other tactics in those 2 games. He not going to watch the U21's and not using Earthy especially is ludicrous.
Can we agree that bench game after game is damaging to your soul, it is mine. 7 defensive players with 1 under used attacker who has been left to stagnate then thrown in after zero minutes. Nuno has had plenty of chances to use Guilherme for minutes in every game but hasn't.

Sir Alf,
i don't buy this wind asssited logic,it's often harder to control the ball if you have the wind. You then adapt and bring on players who can pass the ball on the deck but Nuno had none.Wilson didn't have one pass in the game as we weren't playing that way.
Why this boring wanker can't see that it's better to attack sometimes than constantly defend. That's why he needs to go and watch the u21's play. They can pass and move why not the 1st team ? The training ground videos show pass and move,what's the fucking point in them doing this if they then don't use the ball. Countless times I've seen us hoof the ball, not even in a controlled way but a pub football team way. be honest with yourself and tell me anything different.

We lost one of sons, I'm still gutted and we have Paqueta and Nuno performing like utter cunts.I'm almost giving up but it's in my blood

[Sir Alf]

I see few alternatives to Nuno just now unfortunately that we coukd be confident would get more points. For me, he really blew points on the Leeds game trying the same experiment that failed in the previous game. Bournemouth perhaps 2 points dropped.  But subbing Wilson 10 mins too early or removing Fernandes for Soucek were too mistakes in hindsight ( perfect science ) But not doing so ? Would that have almost certainly seen us go onto win? Hmmm not so sure ?  We were very poor in the 2nd half due to the gale force wind behind Bournemouth as much as anything else and Wilson’s goals first half, when we had the wind behind us, werent exactly the result of dominant play but came more from 2 excellent poachers instincts against tyr run of play imo

Im not a Nuno fan ordinarily but have to say imo it was really only the Leeds game where he got it totally wrong. 

[GBHammer63]

 

GB you're right that Nuno has always been a defensive coach, as has, Moyes, Loppy & Potter, there's a pattern here, ever since the failed appointment of Pellegrini, the sex case in the Boardroom has been spooked and gone for the guy who will grind out 40 points, maybe in time Nuno will play a more expansive game but with the dearth of talent in our forward line I'm happy to grind it out for now. 

Maybe mate, massive gamble to take on this manager who in the time he’s been here has only had one game and a half of attacking football, which is what earns you them points, there’s a bloody big chance he won’t achieve those required remaining 29 points, especially when he’s shown already this season he’s blown games that we’d have a chance of winning with his weird calls. Not sure he’s shown anywhere near good enough grinding ability.

[North Bank]

GB you're right that Nuno has always been a defensive coach, as has, Moyes, Loppy & Potter, there's a pattern here, ever since the failed appointment of Pellegrini, the sex case in the Boardroom has been spooked and gone for the guy who will grind out 40 points, maybe in time Nuno will play a more expansive game but with the dearth of talent in our forward line I'm happy to grind it out for now. 

[Massive Attack]

Respect the 0-2 defeat.

[GBHammer63]

Bilic I like as a bloke but would he really be getting us more points by playing “front foot” football ( a general term for high speed and/or possession dominant football) . With our squad / team wouldnt it be likely we find ourselves shipping lots more goals again and getting exposed / cut thru on the counter?  Trouble is the argument that we shoukd have chosen another manager to justify why the existng manager is rubbish seems to me to be a fallacious exercise or “grass is greener” thinking? We’ve been saying this same thing forever and in the current era back to Moyes. Nuno tactics not mine or most peoples preference but he aint hopeless.  However he is sadly probably about the best fit currently. The running of the club and 5 managers in 18 months is symptomatic of the root cause of everything we are seeing imo.  No simple fix unfortunately.  A first step in the right direction is a Jan window that improves the squad in the central forward area, another CB and centre mid. All need pace and physicality as well as technically decent and not too old. Unlikely we get the quality needed for all 3 areas especially if Sullivan is influencing things so minimum for me is striker. 

Alf, I’d like Nuno to succeed but all I see him trying to succeed at is defensive spoiling coward football, if he understood that the only way he’s going to succeed in the eyes of the fans is by winning games, not by not trying to lose them too badly. Sullivan has appointed Nuno as a safe option for him to keep us in the league, unfortunately we’re not in the position to do anything other than win points, defending don’t get us them points.

[nychammer]

I was starting to think we had turned a corner but last two games have walked us back to playing a style Nuno (and Moyes)  likes to play without the personnel to carry it off. 

it’s the fault of the owners ill advised chopping and changing from Moyes to Lop to Potter and now to Nuno. Nuno could probably get a tune out of what Moyes left but after potter and lop’s signings he’s left with a squad of misfits unable of adapt to his style. For one, it demands capable defenders and we simply don’t have them. 

so we either persist and give Nuno a window to get some players in or we twist again, but with Sullivan likely  unwilling to spend again on a manger I think it’s the former. 

[Massive Attack]

Yes

[Sir Alf]

Bilic I like as a bloke but would he really be getting us more points by playing “front foot” football ( a general term for high speed and/or possession dominant football) . With our squad / team wouldnt it be likely we find ourselves shipping lots more goals again and getting exposed / cut thru on the counter?  Trouble is the argument that we shoukd have chosen another manager to justify why the existng manager is rubbish seems to me to be a fallacious exercise or “grass is greener” thinking? We’ve been saying this same thing forever and in the current era back to Moyes. Nuno tactics not mine or most peoples preference but he aint hopeless.  However he is sadly probably about the best fit currently. The running of the club and 5 managers in 18 months is symptomatic of the root cause of everything we are seeing imo.  No simple fix unfortunately.  A first step in the right direction is a Jan window that improves the squad in the central forward area, another CB and centre mid. All need pace and physicality as well as technically decent and not too old. Unlikely we get the quality needed for all 3 areas especially if Sullivan is influencing things so minimum for me is striker. 

[Massive Attack]

8 managers, Moyes twice, and only Bilic had us playing attractive football but that was because he had a genius in Payet and a master in Lanzini. 



 

Myth. It was just as much about the mindset and approach as well. Remember, even Moyes had Lanzini for a time and he'd still resort to ultra min numbing tactics. Even when we moved and Payet went off the boil/was sold he'd still try and take it to Teams although suffering greatly coming to terms with the shit hole stadium at the same time. Ball and chain is actually a good description of how we often play. I think deep down you know it too being brought up on West Ham and how we like to play. 

[twoleftfeet]

Ball and fucking chain, laughable.

Allardyce
Bilic
Moyes
Pellegrini
Moyes
Lopetegui
Potter
Nuno

8 managers, Moyes twice, and only Bilic had us playing attractive football but that was because he had a genius in Payet and a master in Lanzini. 

Moyes was lucky in that he had an all firing Rice, Antonio, Lingard ( briefly ) and Bowen plus defenders in Dawson and Zouma who knew how to defend.

Whoever we bring in will revert back to type, my only criticism of Nuno is the lack of youth such as Earthy, Fearon and Kante being given a chance. However he has played Potts and Scarles so I might be wrong.

[Massive Attack]

Two left feet, massively disagree about nobody could get a tune from these players, if Nuno unlocked the ball and chain from their ankles and no tune was there you’d have a point, but he doesn’t so the point you’re making has no grounds. If we had a have a go attitude and failed, we’d still only lose a game but to not have a go is unforgivable.

 

Indeed. I just want a manger that understands being "competive" in a game insn't keeping the score level for as long as possible by surrendering the ball, everyone deep and try to shitcunt the odd goal.

Being competitive is trying to match your opponent pass for pass, tackle for tackle, shot for shot. You might not achieve it but for fucks sake try.

The crowd will see the intent, will support the effort and the whole place will be a little happier because there is hope. If you're going to lose anyway atleast give the fans something to be proud of.

The cսnt is just serving up shameful, embarrassing, cowardly shit, it's unwatchable and fucking miserable.

Yep. It was purely Damage Limitation Football at Home against a woefully out of form and low on confidence Team, on a day we just lost a former great that embodied a proper pair of bollocks and having a go. What we did was roll over and have our little tummy's tickled in typical patronising fashion. The antithesis of what we are all about, regardless of the opposition. We didn't even try to win and it's fucking gutless, as it is depressing. 0 effort on target says it all. The BS Effect.

What gets me is Sullivan had a much cheaper option waiting in the wings in Bilic who does get that and would have had us at it a lot more than what we have been seeing these past 7 games or so. A short to medium term fix that would have brought us some time to take stock come the end of the season before getting in a manager we actually want to bring in positive front foot Football. Instead what we've done is bring in a manager that just wants to try and contain - even when we do get a player banging 2 goals in he then immediately swaps him for a Defensive Midfielder in the last match! - our Football and enjoyment whilst squeaking over the line.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Sacked right now. The way he rolled out the red carpet for a shit scouse team, the fact is if we had played with any tempo or purpose, having someone take even 1 decent fucking corner may have been a start, the scousers were there for the taking. But no, not Nuno, we may as well have played in carpet slippers, not 1 shot on target in an entire home game, disgraceful. And it will be a repeat performance again the other red cunts on Thursday. He hasn't got Summerville, how do you counteract that, change shape, make sure wing backs can get forward, its not fucking rocket science. Alternatively, stand with your arms folded or stroking your beard with no fucking clue as what to do. Useless fucker, sack him now.

So, you're on the fence then?

[boleyn8420]

Sacked right now. The way he rolled out the red carpet for a shit scouse team, the fact is if we had played with any tempo or purpose, having someone take even 1 decent fucking corner may have been a start, the scousers were there for the taking. But no, not Nuno, we may as well have played in carpet slippers, not 1 shot on target in an entire home game, disgraceful. And it will be a repeat performance again the other red cunts on Thursday. He hasn't got Summerville, how do you counteract that, change shape, make sure wing backs can get forward, its not fucking rocket science. Alternatively, stand with your arms folded or stroking your beard with no fucking clue as what to do. Useless fucker, sack him now.

[Takashi Miike]

For me, I’m not say I’d definitely want him sacked now, but I’d like to have seen better improvement than he’s currently shown after the time he’s been here, I would say that the choices he left himself with from the bench were staggering if we were to get anything from the game. My viewpoint is Nuno’s managed one decent game v Newcastle and one half decent game v Bournemouth swiftly followed by probably the worst half of football I’ve seen for a long while. He has had time to serve up better than the shit yesterday, but I’m not seeing he’s learning anything like quickly enough.

but as the ginger div keeps saying, "We had a go"

[GBHammer63]

For me, I’m not say I’d definitely want him sacked now, but I’d like to have seen better improvement than he’s currently shown after the time he’s been here, I would say that the choices he left himself with from the bench were staggering if we were to get anything from the game. My viewpoint is Nuno’s managed one decent game v Newcastle and one half decent game v Bournemouth swiftly followed by probably the worst half of football I’ve seen for a long while. He has had time to serve up better than the shit yesterday, but I’m not seeing he’s learning anything like quickly enough.

[BoleynGone]

No one's saying that you twat,why do you always revert to the extreme,typical.
There's no point sacking anyone to the end of the season when we might have the chance of new owners coming in.
Nuno doesn't need to be so ultra negative,he's lied that he will incorporate the youth,he hasn't , not one on the bench when they are playing superbly with commitment and desire.
Nuno hasn't learnt ,1 point out of 12 at first then he had to change or the sack. We attacked more against Newcastle and hey presto we win,we were lucky against Burnley who are poor. His last 2 games have been worse than Moyes,your spunk daddy,didn't learn again, 2 shots on target in 2 games.woeful.
 

[XKhammer]

I don’t get this “don’t go to games” argument, I don’t go to games anymore but over 50 years have attended more than my fair share home and away, now don’t live in the country but will still watch every single minute of every game so how is your “go to games “ opinion worth more than mine? It’s like me stating that my opinion is worth more than yours because I’ve got the best view in the house. 
It’s not doom and gloom posters if you’re stating what you saw with your own eyes after enough time elapsed for us to reasonably expect better.

 

Wasn't having a pop at you and get your point,more aimed at non stop miserable pricks like Talkingshite Miike who contribute absolutely nothing but doom and gloom bollocks about everything at the club 
All im saying is give Nuno a chance,yes it could go tits up like Potter
My pint is always half full 

all you're saying is absolute shit. you win games by scoring goals, not sitting back for the majority of the game, you thick ginger oddball cսnt

Now now dont piss your pants again as will make your armchair smelly

[Takashi Miike]

Got to give Nuno a chance 
Don't get these doom and gloom posters on here,especially the ones that dont even go to games what do you expect?
Play like Brazil and be 3 nil up in first 10 minutes every game?
I'm not saying he's the saviour but he's got to be backed by fans and board
I don't think we will go down or be anything special this season 

I don’t get this “don’t go to games” argument, I don’t go to games anymore but over 50 years have attended more than my fair share home and away, now don’t live in the country but will still watch every single minute of every game so how is your “go to games “ opinion worth more than mine? It’s like me stating that my opinion is worth more than yours because I’ve got the best view in the house. 
It’s not doom and gloom posters if you’re stating what you saw with your own eyes after enough time elapsed for us to reasonably expect better.

 

Wasn't having a pop at you and get your point,more aimed at non stop miserable pricks like Talkingshite Miike who contribute absolutely nothing but doom and gloom bollocks about everything at the club 
All im saying is give Nuno a chance,yes it could go tits up like Potter
My pint is always half full 

all you're saying is absolute shit. you win games by scoring goals, not sitting back for the majority of the game, you thick ginger oddball cսnt

[XKhammer]

Nuno currently has a worse win percentage than 'loser Lop'' and 'pathetic Potter'. In terms of win percentage and points per games, only Grant is worse than him in the Premier League era. So it is legitimate to question this bloke's record to date.

Nuno's paltry win percentage of 25% (2 wins from 8 games) could easily be down to 20% by next Tuesday with two tough away games at Brighton and Manchester United coming up.

FFS its only 8 games!!!
If he wins next 2 games it goes up to 40%
Let's judge him after say 20 games