West Ham vs Liverpool | PL | 28.11.25 | Predictions and Match Thread

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Well next up the Bin Dippers. Two ideals go to head to head in this match....The ideal time for us to play Liverpool after an horrific run of defeats and confidence at an all time low....and the ideal club for Liverpool to face to break their rut, with our unmatchable ability to fold in the face of reputation.

So who will prevail? The bookies certainly favour the Mickeys, making us about 4/1 to pull it off, and them odds on. But we're 3 unbeaten and approaching something close to a 'run of form'.

Mavropanos is back available, as is Fullkrug, Guilherme who subbed off for a rolled ankle was seen in training....but Summerville was conspicuous by absence, with Nuno characteristically coy on his Availability.

With Paqueta back from suspension, Wilson in fine form, and a more settled midfield, there is at least hope that a dysfunctional Liverpool side can be bested and we can give that big bald head of Arne Slot an almighty Tango-esque SLAP!

Predicted LineUp:

Areola

AWB Mavropanos Todibo Diouf

Potts Fernandes Paqueta

Bowen. Wilson. Guilherme (Summerville if fit)

Subs: Hermansen, Igor, Kilman, Magassa, Irving, Rodriguez, Earthy, Soucek, Fullkrug

Predicted Score: West Ham 1-3 Liverpool (Wilson) (Salah 2, Ekitike)

Desperately hope I'm wrong, but there's no better team to play when in the doldrums than the Claret and Blue gift.  Maybe Nuno can dispel the evidence of history, and stick one up them, and send them back with nothing but a few hubcaps! COYI!

 

[ragingbull]

You can see that Socrates modelled himself on Devonshire.

[Massive Attack]

360

It honestly angers me because during the GSB reign of terror we have in that time raked in 15 consecutive Premier League seasons worth of wonga, effectively got gifted a fuck off sized Stadium for virtually fuck all and all the new bigger money coming in that entailed for the Club. Not just those 3 factors though but we also raked in a shit ton of money via Europe and a Cup win in spite of their shocking decisions. Not forgetting the mega profit sale of Rice for £105M. That is serious, serious finances for any Club, especially with our fantastic backing from the stands doing our bit as well by financing the racket mainly for GSB's benefit.

Then you hold all that up against lesser Clubs with far more modest incomes and backing who actually showed genuine ambition and nous with how they financed their success stories, be it Leciester, Brighton, Bournemouth all punching well above their relative weight.

It's fucking scandalous how poorly run we've been with so much more financial muscle we've enjoyed by comparison, yet comtinually piss it up the transfer wall or waste it mainly on negative managers who don't really believe in West Ham playing exciting front foot Football or want to understand it. It's all bollocks and ever since they stepped foot in to the Club they've sold us a pup of a Stadium and a bullshit dream that's definitely faded and died now.

Further to their 1 dimensional safe boring managerial hires of the past 15 years to show their real intent and understanding of what our great Club is supposed to be all about, both Allardyce and Moyes during about a combined 10 years of it in their press conferences would openly belittle "just what is The West Ham Way?". Pair of cunts! That tells you everything about how out of touch those wankers have been and when we do actually get Managers who get us playing some decent West Hamesque style Football in say a Pellegrini or Bilic, they soon say "Whoah that's enough of that fucking nonsense we don't want to go down, so let's go back to just making sure we survive at all costs eh for fuck sake!" Which brings us all to the present day under Nuno. Rinse and fucking repeat...

[Far Cough UKunt]

That's just it 360. No disrespect to you as I get it but under GSB it feels like our fanbase has been conditioned to accept this style of negative, mindnumbing defensive Football which is the complete antithesis of what we should be about. 15 long fucking years of most of the same shit. We deserve a lot better but they're just happy doing enough existing in the Premier League whilst raking in the mega millions of the modern game at our expense. 

We want our Football Club back just as much as The West Ham Way. Because this most definitely aint it coming up to 16 fucking years...

 

I’m with you mate. My favourite football team of all time is the Brazil 82 team when I was a kid. They didn’t win the World Cup but everyone at that time remembers their players(Socrates, zico, falcao etc) , who remembers italys apart from Rossi and Zoff? 

I just love flare players and teams. 

I think football changed with Jose and Chelsea. That industrial way of playing the game. And trophies above everything. 

I liked that we won the conference league but if I’m honest I’d rather us have played better more attractive football in the league  than to have won that trophy and be watching constant shit for the last 3 yrs. The way we played that game was so trash as well. 

I played against Zico, true story

Didn't Socrates play for some non league team up north?

[zico]

Hence my nickname, Zico was certainly my favourite overseas player and I loved that Eder as well, he couldn't half bend a ball. Was gutted when they got beat but if I remember correctly they didn't have the best goalkeeper and the defenders just attacked. Still had a decent team in 86 although not quite as fluid.

[twoleftfeet]

 

maybe..
us having more possession than another side is probably like seeing Lord Lucan in a pub having a roast...

That's just it 360. No disrespect to you as I get it but under GSB it feels like our fanbase has been conditioned to accept this style of negative, mindnumbing defensive Football which is the complete antithesis of what we should be about. 15 long fucking years of most of the same shit. We deserve a lot better but they're just happy doing enough existing in the Premier League whilst raking in the mega millions of the modern game at our expense. 

We want our Football Club back just as much as The West Ham Way. Because this most definitely aint it coming up to 16 fucking years...

 

I’m with you mate. My favourite football team of all time is the Brazil 82 team when I was a kid. They didn’t win the World Cup but everyone at that time remembers their players(Socrates, zico, falcao etc) , who remembers italys apart from Rossi and Zoff? 

I just love flare players and teams. 

I think football changed with Jose and Chelsea. That industrial way of playing the game. And trophies above everything. 

I liked that we won the conference league but if I’m honest I’d rather us have played better more attractive football in the league  than to have won that trophy and be watching constant shit for the last 3 yrs. The way we played that game was so trash as well. 

I played against Zico, true story

[threesixty]

Maybe you saw 1 of those pointless 5 minute possession graphics pop up that shows us temporarily in possession of the ball for longer than them?

 

maybe..
us having more possession than another side is probably like seeing Lord Lucan in a pub having a roast...

That's just it 360. No disrespect to you as I get it but under GSB it feels like our fanbase has been conditioned to accept this style of negative, mindnumbing defensive Football which is the complete antithesis of what we should be about. 15 long fucking years of most of the same shit. We deserve a lot better but they're just happy doing enough existing in the Premier League whilst raking in the mega millions of the modern game at our expense. 

We want our Football Club back just as much as The West Ham Way. Because this most definitely aint it coming up to 16 fucking years...

 

 

I’m with you mate. My favourite football team of all time is the Brazil 82 team when I was a kid. They didn’t win the World Cup but everyone at that time remembers their players(Socrates, zico, falcao etc) , who remembers italys apart from Rossi and Zoff? 

I just love flare players and teams. 

I think football changed with Jose and Chelsea. That industrial way of playing the game. And trophies above everything. 

I liked that we won the conference league but if I’m honest I’d rather us have played better more attractive football in the league  than to have won that trophy and be watching constant shit for the last 3 yrs. The way we played that game was so trash as well. 

[Massive Attack]

Maybe you saw 1 of those pointless 5 minute possession graphics pop up that shows us temporarily in possession of the ball for longer than them?

 

maybe..
us having more possession than another side is probably like seeing Lord Lucan in a pub having a roast...

That's just it 360. No disrespect to you as I get it but under GSB it feels like our fanbase has been conditioned to accept this style of negative, mindnumbing defensive Football which is the complete antithesis of what we should be about. 15 long fucking years of most of the same shit. We deserve a lot better but they're just happy doing enough existing in the Premier League whilst raking in the mega millions of the modern game at our expense. 

We want our Football Club back just as much as The West Ham Way. Because this most definitely aint it coming up to 16 fucking years...

[threesixty]

Maybe you saw 1 of those pointless 5 minute possession graphics pop up that shows us temporarily in possession of the ball for longer than them?

 

 

maybe..
us having more possession than another side is probably like seeing Lord Lucan in a pub having a roast...

[Massive Attack]

Maybe you saw 1 of those pointless 5 minute possession graphics pop up that shows us temporarily in possession of the ball for longer than them?

[threesixty]

I don't blame the Team collectively for how they played, I blame the Manager for the poxy approach to it which is thw real issue. Sure some like Bowen were woefully off it (although he can be excused compared to so many others who underperform) but on the whole they did what was asked of them. Stand like training cones in position sitting way off Liverpool and just hope for the best they don't score by 5 or 6. There were some decent performances like Todibo, Areola, Potts doing what was asked of them.

 

We had far more possession than they did in the 1st half.
Overall it was 44/56 Liverpool for the game. So I dont know about the sitting way off Liverpool like training cones. Probably one of the few games Ive seen us actually out play a side in the middle of the park tbh

Where we lacked was our forward play. they had 9 shots and we had 7. But none of ours were on target! 5 of theirs was. Thats the difference. We had more corners than them (7 vs 2) which suggests we had a lot of the ball in threatening areas, just cant convert. 

We are putting out Callum Wilson and Bowen (who can just about get into the national team) and they have Gakpo,Isak, Ekiteke, Salah etc... Even when they are shit (and they were shit) they still have the class to score when the opportunity is there. Bowens shot said everything about us at the moment.

First half possession was 61% Liverpool, 39% West Ham

 

 

Really? could have sworn I saw the stats show up in the 1st half and being surprised at how much of the game was played in Liverpools half. I also thought we dispossessed them quite a few times which kind of seems like the opposite of standing off them.

I think it's disciplined to retain shape and not let them pull you apart by pressing them every second they have the ball. So I think that will always be a feature not a bug. You try to keep the team compact so they cant play through you. I think we did that quite well. 

I dont understand some of the comparisons to Moyes tbh. My take on Moyes is a manager that does not even attempt to win the ball further up the pitch. Sitting back at the edge of your area or deeper, never playing out from the back. The sole purpose is to find a runner on the wing some how to launch a counter. No real midfield or build up play at all. I dont think Nuno is doing that. Stats dont even look like he's doing that.

[Massive Attack]

Yep. Respect the 2-0 defeat.

[El Scorchio]

360

It was just 5 shots in total not 7. And maybe I wasn't clear enough in what I was referring to. Not what we did or didn't do when in possession of the ball, I meant standing off when they had the ball, only engaging to win it on rare occasions when going off script. For the most part we just stood off them allowing them to walk with the ball and pick their passes with ease. What I wanted to see more of was the likes of tackles that Magassa made that the cսnt Ref mindlessly awarded a yellow. They were so low on confidence that we should have exploited that at Home by getting stuck in to them. 

Yes- we played just how I didn't want us to- like a Moyes team. Fearful and giving up all the territory and the ball, and just clearing our lines when we had it rather than trying to do anything meaningful, and when we did have it higher up, not having any agency and passing it horizontally in front of them.

Especially given they were not good and were there for the taking. This was not a corner turning victory for them. This was getting lucky against a team that approached the game all wrong. We should have been aggressive and on the front foot. As it was, we were just waiting to concede, a la Moyes.

[Massive Attack]

360

It was just 5 shots in total not 7. And maybe I wasn't clear enough in what I was referring to. Not what we did or didn't do when in possession of the ball, I meant standing off when they had the ball, only engaging to win it on rare occasions when going off script. For the most part we just stood off them allowing them to walk with the ball and pick their passes with ease. What I wanted to see more of was the likes of tackles that Magassa made that the cսnt Ref mindlessly awarded a yellow. They were so low on confidence that we should have exploited that at Home by getting stuck in to them. 

[John Drake]

I don't blame the Team collectively for how they played, I blame the Manager for the poxy approach to it which is thw real issue. Sure some like Bowen were woefully off it (although he can be excused compared to so many others who underperform) but on the whole they did what was asked of them. Stand like training cones in position sitting way off Liverpool and just hope for the best they don't score by 5 or 6. There were some decent performances like Todibo, Areola, Potts doing what was asked of them.

 

We had far more possession than they did in the 1st half.
Overall it was 44/56 Liverpool for the game. So I dont know about the sitting way off Liverpool like training cones. Probably one of the few games Ive seen us actually out play a side in the middle of the park tbh

Where we lacked was our forward play. they had 9 shots and we had 7. But none of ours were on target! 5 of theirs was. Thats the difference. We had more corners than them (7 vs 2) which suggests we had a lot of the ball in threatening areas, just cant convert. 

We are putting out Callum Wilson and Bowen (who can just about get into the national team) and they have Gakpo,Isak, Ekiteke, Salah etc... Even when they are shit (and they were shit) they still have the class to score when the opportunity is there. Bowens shot said everything about us at the moment.

First half possession was 61% Liverpool, 39% West Ham

[threesixty]

I don't blame the Team collectively for how they played, I blame the Manager for the poxy approach to it which is thw real issue. Sure some like Bowen were woefully off it (although he can be excused compared to so many others who underperform) but on the whole they did what was asked of them. Stand like training cones in position sitting way off Liverpool and just hope for the best they don't score by 5 or 6. There were some decent performances like Todibo, Areola, Potts doing what was asked of them.

 

 

We had far more possession than they did in the 1st half.
Overall it was 44/56 Liverpool for the game. So I dont know about the sitting way off Liverpool like training cones. Probably one of the few games Ive seen us actually out play a side in the middle of the park tbh

Where we lacked was our forward play. they had 9 shots and we had 7. But none of ours were on target! 5 of theirs was. Thats the difference. We had more corners than them (7 vs 2) which suggests we had a lot of the ball in threatening areas, just cant convert. 

We are putting out Callum Wilson and Bowen (who can just about get into the national team) and they have Gakpo,Isak, Ekiteke, Salah etc... Even when they are shit (and they were shit) they still have the class to score when the opportunity is there. Bowens shot said everything about us at the moment.

[Massive Attack]

I don't blame the Team collectively for how they played, I blame the Manager for the poxy approach to it which is thw real issue. Sure some like Bowen were woefully off it (although he can be excused compared to so many others who underperform) but on the whole they did what was asked of them. Stand like training cones in position sitting way off Liverpool and just hope for the best they don't score by 5 or 6. There were some decent performances like Todibo, Areola, Potts doing what was asked of them.

[Mex Martillo]

Yes, we weren’t as bad as many are saying. Neither was Paqueta before the meltdown. If Nuno brings him straight back in after the ban, I have no trouble with that. Also there was fight in the team with 10 men, that was good to see.

[threesixty]

It didn’t think we played terribly. I think comparing Forests win at Anfield to us is not really looking at us in context. Forest are the exact same team who were in the top 4 for most of last season and are in Europe on merit. They already have proven capability. 
They just needed a tweak. 

West Ham have been completely shit in the league for at least 3 yrs! Nuno took on a shit team. Potter took on a shit team. Lopetgui took on a shit team. We have yet to be fixed. 

So all this “just go at them, look at how other teams have done it” was never going to be us. Even if we’d have held out for 90 in the last 5 minutes van dyke would have got a header or a penalty etc.  Our form does not deserve a result Liverpool. 

I thought a draw would be good considering how much possesion we had in the 1st half, but then I gave my head a wobble and thought “but with what players?” Bringing on Fullkrug to try and change a game says it all. The reality is it was always going to be individual quality that changed this game , and Isak did what Bowen couldn’t, which is why one of them is 130m and the other is not. 

The positives I took away from this is our defence (Todibo looking good) etc, Mengassa looking good. Some things to build on. But we need to tip toe towards that Jan window because really need some good goal scoring options. We cannot rely on what we have or we will be relegated. A good window and we’ll be alright. 

won’t talk about Paq etc cos he’s going to get sold in Jan or June doesn’t matter. He’s done here I think. 
 

[Fauxstralian]

Have said before I thought we were ok yesterday up to the final third where we were toothless 
Liverpool are the Champions with a couple of £100m plus players whatever their current form
Fernandes & Potts are looking good in midfield and thought Magassa had his best game
Got booked for a perfect tackle & Nuno thought he had to take him off 2 mins later
Thanks ref. You cսnt

[Sir Alf]

The passing of Bonzo has possibly skewed some opinions which is understandable.  I understand fansxsaying we didnt get at them, play on the front foot, show passion, press them high etc etc. And thats true but too binary for me.  But imo, and I could of course be wrong, is if we had set up with one less in midfield, pushed up, tried to press more farther up the field, there was a high likelihood of us being on the end of a proper drubbing and 3 down or more by half time. Several reasons why, firstly we have a squad that is still way too slow and lacks the physicality/strength collectively ( esp middle of the park despite Potts, Fernandes making it  better in that sense)  when playing a lot of teams like Liverpool with Gravenburch, Macalister, Wirtz, Gakpo and co being a split second quicker when playing at pace.  Our lack of speed down the flanks and centrally using a 33 year old “poacher” Wilson as a target man meant we couldnt progress forward or get out from the back easily and could not stretch them enough when we did have it.  I didnt think there was a lack of effort tbh but we had no outball and when we did get challenges in we had a ref who was playing “no contact” rules. So flying in and pressing would have seen more bookings and sendings off especially with a Liverpool team coached to go to the floor with any, I mean any, contact.

Some fans will call it bad tactics and formations by Nuno but we really are so limited as a squad and against a fast counter attacking outfit like Pool it would have been suicide imho.  Perhaps we could do it for a short while and got an early goal but they dominated us physically and for speed from the start and we could easily have been cut apart on the counter playing on the proverbial “front foot” pushing many players forward.     

Its all hypothetical of course and hindsight to say it was all Nunos fault or players dont care enough or were lazy etc. I didnt see that, I saw a team that did its best to compete but ultimately a weak squad and lack of speed/physicality and options exposed once again as it has been with the previous 4 managers. And the previous managers were alleged to be both low block/low possession and high possession/press high types ( Loppy , Potter).  You need enough players with the correct profile to be good at playing fast, front foot style footie and nowadays even to be good at playing low possession and counter attack football effectively. Forest were great at the latter last year with Gibbs White, Elanga, Hudson Odoi and others with blistering pace. We only have Summerville.  Fernandes can move a bit but thats it.  It really limits a team in todays Premier League IMHO.  

Many / perhaps most will disagree but currently Nuno and his pragmatic approach to me is sadly our best option. Depressing of course but thats the reality. Im no fan of low block football but our squad is better suited to it  The team has looked better with younger players but still has huge holes and will continue to struggle against most of the current PL due to the much mentioned lack of pace / physicality. Our best player Bowen even struggles as he has great feet but actually he is not super quick and with no other threats like Summerville or a strong CF or another quick ball carrier in midfield, he lacks time, space and options. Its probably why his passing accuracy is so much better for England.  

Usual long diatribe from me but just think the claims that defeat yesterday was down to the players not caring and Nuno tactics, dont stack up from what I saw on the day.  In the end a 100 million pound striker turned the game for them with his only real chance. Thats what it buys.  Their bench all get in our first team. Yes they were on a bad run but we simply dont have the profile of players to expose them like Forest and PSV did with their super fast counters which exposed the Liverpool back 4 last week.  We dont have those players and esp without Summerville.  

*** puts on tin hat ***

[ATHammer]

The ref lost the game in the first five minutes. The persistent fouling, play acting should have been called out by the captain right from the start. Nothing. We have seen this all to often. Tarkowski at Everton for example in the ref's face while Bowen waits his turn. A Sunday League captain would have got hold of Paqueta. Arm round him then a boot up the arse if he carried on. But no, nothing.
Potter eviscerated the character from the club but, fuck me, a performance like that on a day like that was disgusting.
From board to the players on the pitch on Sunday, one word. Cunts. 

[Massive Attack]

We are now in a relegation dogfight and its only just December

That began on the opening day of the season against newly promoted Sunderland. That's how gutless we've become as a Football Club under BS. 

[El Scorchio]

We were dreadful. So disappointing. They were absolutely there for the taking and we bottled it big time. Woeful game of football between two poor sides but somehow those cunts always manage to beat us. I actually think Burnley were better than Liverpool when we played them the other week. NOTHING at all going forward for us. We really need a couple of signings in January. 

You'd have hoped the emotion of the day might have carried the team on to a rousing performance but it was absolutely flat. Anything but a fitting performance for Billy.

[violator]

Thoroughly depressing, a performance like that on the back of the news from the morning. We are now in a relegation dogfight and its only just December, and with the fixtures coming up, we're going to slip further into the quicksand.

[easthammer]

Not much to add to what most have said, other than to all those worrying about whether we have three at the back, four in the middle, a centre forward or rapid wingers, we need just one or two players with just a fraction of the inspiration and endeavour of the man we were mourning yesterday. Yesterday, our captain was as inspirational as a wet flannel, and I guess he is the nearest (perhaps Potts aside) who gives a second thought that they are wearing a West Ham shirt. And if you think bringing in another bunch of averagely competent mercenaries in January will solve our problems, think again.