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Profit and Sustainability Rules

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Thought I'd stick up a post to try and show how this seemingly works since I struggle to get my head round it and guess others do:

ChatGPT Q&A below: 

1. What is PSR? 

PSR (previously “FFP” in the Premier League, and aligned with UEFA’s rules) is a financial regulation that limits club losses over a rolling 3-year period. 

Currently in the Premier League, clubs are permitted to lose up to £105m over 3 years (i.e., £35m per season on average). 

Losses above these thresholds risk sanctions (points deductions, fines, etc.), though clubs can deduct certain “allowable” costs (e.g. youth development, women’s football, stadium investment).  

​​​​​​​​​​​​​​2. How Transfers Are Accounted For 

The key distinction is between player purchases and player sales. 
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​​​​​​​Player Purchases 
Transfers are not expensed in one go. Instead, they are capitalised as an intangible asset and then amortised (spread) over the contract length. 
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​​​​​​​Example: If you buy a player for £50m on a 5-year contract: 

Annual amortisation = £10m per year. 

This £10m is the amount that hits the club’s P&L (and therefore PSR calculation) each year. 

If the player is later given a contract extension, the remaining book value is spread over the new contract length. 
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​​​​​​​Player Sales 
Player sales are recorded as instant profit in the year of sale. 

Profit = Sale price – Remaining book value. 
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​​​​​​​Example:
If you sell a player for £40m who cost £20m four years ago on a 5-year deal: 

Original cost: £20m ÷ 5 years = £4m amortisation per year. 

After 4 years, book value = £4m (1 year left). 

Profit on sale = £40m – £4m = £36m, which counts in full in that year’s PSR.  

👉 This is why clubs often look to sell academy players or cheap signings – they have little or no book value, so sales show up as almost pure profit.  
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​​​​​​​3. The 3-Year Rolling Period 

PSR isn’t checked on a single season, but as a rolling 3-year total. 

Each season, the oldest year “drops off” and the latest year is added. 
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​​​​​​​Example:

In 2024/25 season: The PSR assessment looks at 2022/23, 2023/24, and 2024/25 combined. 

In 2025/26, it will look at 2023/24, 2024/25, 2025/26. 

So clubs constantly have to manage their accounts knowing that one “bad” year will affect them for three years until it falls out of the cycle. 
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​​​​​​​4. Practical Implications 

Timing matters:
Clubs sometimes rush to sell players before June 30 (financial year-end) to get the profit into that PSR cycle. 
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​​​​​​​Sales > Purchases for quick relief:
Sales are instant, purchases are long-term.

That’s why selling one player can balance the books, but buying players doesn’t wreck them immediately – the hit is spread. 
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​​​​​​​Extensions can help:
Extending contracts spreads the remaining book value over longer years, lowering the annual amortisation charge. 
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​​​​​​​Academy products are gold:
A sale is 100% profit under PSR rules. 
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5. Simple Worked Example 
Imagine a club with:
  • Revenue (TV, matchday, commercial): £200m per year.
  • Wage bill & operating costs: £190m per year.
Transfers:
  • Buys: £60m player on 5 years → £12m amortisation per year.
  • Sells: £30m academy player → £30m profit.
 Year 1 P&L (for PSR): 
Base profit: £200m – £190m = £10m. 
Minus amortisation: –£12m. 
Plus profit on sale: +£30m.
= £28m profit counted for PSR. 

That £28m then sits in the 3-year rolling calculation.  

⚒️ In short: Purchases are drip-fed as amortisation. Sales are immediate profit. Clubs are judged on a rolling 3-year window against the loss thresholds.  

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​​​​​​​Follow Up:


But doesn't this create a dangerous position?

E.g. I bank a sale of 50m this year and get that profit hit now. I sign his replacement for 50m on a 5 year contract. So I'm net even. But in 3 years time the 50m income will vanish, and I'll still have 3 years of 'debt' (30m) on the books to try and cover, even though the net position was zero?!

Is that right?
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Exactly 👌 — you’ve nailed one of the biggest structural dangers of PSR accounting. 

Let me break it down step by step with your example:--- 
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1. The Sale (instant hit) 
Sell player for £50m. 

If he’s an academy graduate (or fully amortised), book value is £0. 

PSR Profit this year = +£50m (all in the current cycle).  
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​​​​​​​2. The Purchase (spread hit) 

Buy replacement for £50m, on a 5-year contract. 

Amortisation = £10m per year. 

PSR Expense = –£10m each year for 5 years.  
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​​​​​​​3. The Problem 
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​​​​​​​Year 1:+£50m (sale) – £10m (amortisation) = +£40m boost. 
Year 2:–£10m amortisation. 
​​​​​​​Year 3:–£10m amortisation. 
​​​​​​​Year 4:–£10m amortisation. 
​​​​​​​Year 5:–£10m amortisation. 

So over the 5 years total, the net impact is £0 (as you said).

But because PSR looks at 3-year rolling periods, the timing is dangerous: 
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By Year 4, that £50m sale has dropped out of the rolling window. 
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​​​​​​​But the new signing still has £20m of amortisation left to be absorbed. 
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​​​​​​​If you haven’t generated fresh profits (via sales, higher revenue, etc.), your PSR position suddenly looks worse. --- 
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​​​​​​​4. Why This Matters 

This is exactly why clubs: 
  • Keep selling players regularly (to “feed” the PSR with new instant profit).
  • Are cautious about long contracts with big amortisation tails unless they’re sure of revenues.
  • Sometimes sell late in the window but book the profit before June 30 (year end), then spread purchases over longer terms.
 This treadmill effect is sometimes called the “PSR cliff”.

You can look fine for a couple of years, but then your old sales vanish while your amortisation bills keep piling up.  

✅ So yes, your reading is right: 

The net transfer is zero in real cash terms, but under PSR, the timing mismatch means you can look great today and terrible in 3 years’ time. 

That’s why clubs can feel forced into continuous player trading just to keep the PSR plates spinning. 

 


 
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John Drake" wrote: 08 Sep 2025, 09:37 A couple of things to add on this discussion.

The Premier League clubs themselves agree whatever financial rules apply. Thus, it was the clubs who decided last year to stick with PSR rather than change to a simpler squad cost ratio measure. Further, clubs playing in European competition must comply with UEFA rules.

It is interesting that over half of Premier League clubs now have US owners. If that increased to 14 it would give them the majority to do pretty much what they liked with domestic rules.

The big clubs had originally been all for the Super League back in 2021 but pulled back following adverse reaction. No doubt they would vote for it gain if they could get away with it - and were allowed to continue to participate in domestic competitions.
Yep - agreed.

These were all similar arguments against the Premier League before it was founded. And then it happened.

I think a European league would be a disaster for "real" football. But I can't see anything other than that outcome with the way the sport is going. The tracks have been laid. Maybe another fans' revolt will do the trick. But the proponents will be prepared for that this time around.
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Realise I left the big four Spanish clubs out of my list - probably wishful thinking: Real Madrid, Barca, Athletico and Seville.

So any opening league would be rammed with likely members.

The whole "will there be a European super league" thing was at a tipping point anyway, and the there are other motivations for those interested. But the effect of PSR over the next few seasons might seal the deal. Unfortunately.
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A couple of things to add on this discussion.

The Premier League clubs themselves agree whatever financial rules apply. Thus, it was the clubs who decided last year to stick with PSR rather than change to a simpler squad cost ratio measure. Further, clubs playing in European competition must comply with UEFA rules.

It is interesting that over half of Premier League clubs now have US owners. If that increased to 14 it would give them the majority to do pretty much what they liked with domestic rules.

The big clubs had originally been all for the Super League back in 2021 but pulled back following adverse reaction. No doubt they would vote for it gain if they could get away with it - and were allowed to continue to participate in domestic competitions.
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Given the ever increasing financial clout of the bigger clubs, I'm now all for the formation of this European Super league. The sooner, the better.

Won't be too long before the fans/tourists work out is that what they're being served up every game is the footballing equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters - a series of exhibition matches without passion, for the actual game itself  (from the fans/tourists or the players).

The fun will start when these teams then try to weasel their way back into the leagues they left before the business model collapses completely.
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Not saying I think it's a good thing. It will be awful - and I'm against it. But I just think it's going to happen. Money talks more than ever.
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Yeah, I do think that PSR is going to push clubs with the biggest revenues further towards a super league - even though the rules massively reinforce their financial dominance. There are just too many potential benefits for them now. And they'll use the unrestrained Saudi league as the argument for doing something that continues Europe's dominance.

As said, you're basically telling very wealthy clubs and owners exactly how they can spend their money. Eventually, there will be a huge "fuck you" to that.

If anybody thinks that, now they've been approved as owners (a shocking decision, in my view, given what the ownership rules actually say) Newcastle's Saudi owners will sit idly by and let PSR dictate and limit their spending, they'll be very surprised. The next time the European super league proposal comes up - and it will - the top six or seven clubs are much more likely to to say "fuck you" to the rest of a division that can't possibly cope with their revenue streams. Look how much Liverpool spent this summer. And look at what Newcastle would be capable of spending if unrestrained. And then think how pissed off Man City's mega-wealthy owners will be if they get restrained by the PSR rules under these 114 charges. Likewise, Man Utd will be less restrained by the same capital/revenue spending distinction if it is lifted or modified to help the big names.

Contrary to financial "fair play", these rules make a super league more likely. Even Chelsea, whose fans played a big part in blocking it last time, will be telling their supporters that PSR is holding them back despite billions of pounds of investment.

They will probably walk off at some point.

Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Newcastle, Paris SG, Bayern, Juventus, Milan, Inter, Napoli, Galatasaray, Dortmund, Fenerbahce, Ajax, Benfica, Porto, Monaco. You can see the first super league isn't far away.

It will probably come shortly after a world cup, to give them another four years to argue their case for their players to remain in international sides.
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It will eventually lead to a breakaway and the European Super League. You are telling people with money how to spend it. And they will say. “Fuck this. We ain’t a charity. We do ourselves.”
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The tricky bit is that the clubs vote for these rules themselves. Unless the regulator (is that in operation yet?) can force something unpopular on them.
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I would give them the opportunity to breach, but however much you breach by you have to then invest that amount into youth football are it gets distributed further down the pyramid.
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Rules should be quite simple 
Every Premier league club should be allowed to have 30 Professionals over 18 under contract at any one time and there should be a total salary cap that is identical for all clubs 
If that amount is say £150m pa if your wage bill exceeds 50% of your total turnover the owners should have to deposit double that excess amount into a fund held by the Premier league 
For example if your turnover is £200m you can pay out £150m on wages if you deposit £100m ( £200m x 50% £100m, must deposit  excess of £50m x 2 with PL)
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Given our reduction in wage bill you’d assume we’re in good shape for the new rules.
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Difficult one.  Should it become a free for all where the likes of Newcastle can buy a squad of £125M players by spending the owners loose change?   
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Fans have gone from following Football. Too becoming Bean Counter's. As always.

NO SUCH THING AS A FREE RIDE.!
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Although there may be a good chance that the existing PSR rules will be ditched in the next few years, it will almost certainly be replaced with a Squad Cost Ratio measure similar to that used by UEFA for their competitions. As this is also tied to revenues it will do nothing to remove or reduce the huge gap between the rich clubs and the rest.

As ever, the challenge will be how to generate the revenues necessary to assemble a Champions League level squad without first being regular Champions League participants.
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I think everyone is realising that PSR is not working and something has to be done. It is increasing the gap between the so called big 6 and the teams trying to challenge. It has been clear as day this summer. The 6 continue as always and do not appear to have any limits on transfers. While the challengers are forced to sell their best players (often to the 6) to get revenue to work with PSR and make some transfers.
It really is reducing competition, which is just crap.

Thanks Stubbo for the explanation that shows why it is like this and that it is not fit for purpose and must be changed.
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The explanation is accurate, but one thing not mentioned, is that the maximum amotisation period of a player's contract is for PSR is 5 years, regardless of how long the contract actually is.

The current PSR rules were due to be replaced with the "Squad Cost Ratio" (as used by UEFA, spending limited to a % of turnover, not rolling losses), this season, but this was changed to run them in parallel, with only PSR rules being enforced. Earliest for Squad Cost Ratio introduction is the 2026/27 season.

We have the Rice monies on the books for one more season, but then the costs of last year's (and this year's) transfer splurge, will still be hitting PSR as well as lower league placings and no European football, with no RIce money to soften the blow.
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Sorry for theong thread but it breaks it down and I think shows why we have no PSR issues this year with Rice income still on the books, but can't go to our limit or we'll have a big black hole next season (and why if we did sell Paqueta, deferring that income to the next year might actually be to our benefit and these. 'loan with obligations' are becoming so commonplace).
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