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[Alan]

"Sport Bible New report on Lucas Paqueta's spot-fixing charges reveals how much of next season West Ham star can play There has been an update on Paqueta's case. Alex Brotherton Lucas Paqueta will be free to play for West Ham for most of next season despite facing spot-fixing charges. Paqueta has been charged by the Football Association with four separate instances of spot-fixing. The 28-year-old stands accused of deliberately getting himself booked during four Premier League matches. It is one of the most serious cases of spot-fixing involving a top-flight player in England, and could land Paqueta with a lengthy ban. However, the Brazil international can continue to play until the disciplinary process has been completed. According to The Times, the outcome of the process could be delayed until the end of the 2024-25 season or beyond. That is due to the complexity of the case; Paqueta's lawyers say it will take many months to secure all the witness statements and relevant information they need for their defence. That's because the case spans three countries - England, Brazil and Spain - and involves a large number of people. The charges allege that Paqueta got himself booked during matches against Leicester City, Aston Villa, Leeds United and Bournemouth over the past two seasons so that “one or more persons” could profit financially. The investigation that preceded the charges took eight months. In September 2023, Brazilian outlet Globo reported that suspicious gambling patterns were identified in Brazil relating to Paqueta being booked against Aston Villa in March that year. The bets were reportedly made using West Ham's shirt sponsor Betway, via accounts belonging to people linked to Paqueta. The FA initially gave the player until June 3 to respond to the charges, but his lawyers were granted an extension. English football's governing body has refused to put a timescale on the case. Paqueta has been linked with a move to Brazilian giants Flamengo this summer, but this latest development will give encouragement to new West Ham boss Julen Lopetegui that he can use the midfielderthis season."

[Maverick180180]

Dunno if someone else has already mentioned this on this thread but I can’t see it if they have 
I’ve just read that the reason he was also being charged with failing to comply was because on the second time of asking to hand over his phone he told them he couldn’t because he’d disposed of it 

blokes guilty as hell and a complete thick as fuck moron 

[Manuel]

Yeah, it's double counting to me too. It Paqueta has a resale of value of £30 million then the player we replace him with also has a £30 million resale value. So you might lose Paqueta and his resale but you don't lose the resale value of the replacement unless the same thing happens to him.

FMOB are you for real or what? If me auntie had a pair of bollocks I'd be addressing her as 'uncle'.

[wils]

Yeah, it's double counting to me too. It Paqueta has a resale of value of £30 million then the player we replace him with also has a £30 million resale value. So you might lose Paqueta and his resale but you don't lose the resale value of the replacement unless the same thing happens to him.

[goose]

From an accounting perspective you've not made a £30m loss on Paqueta. He's not valued at £60m in our books.

I get that you've lost the opportunity to have sold him at a higher price because of whats happened.

[Lee Trundle]

Rossal is right.  If we sold Paqueta, we'd all be expecting a replacement to come in.

[Rossal]

I am saying £30m loss on player value or potential sale 

I am then saying we are another £30m down to try and replace him with someone of similar quality. 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Rossal

You're counting the same £30m twice, mate. He either can't be sold and we are out of a possible £30m fee or he stays and we lose his services which are valued at £30m. He can't leave and stay.

The £30m sale is the fact that a potential sale this summer has gone. Its £30M off the valuation sheet 

Nonetheless, it's still only one lot of £30m. You can't count £30m for a potential sale and another £30m for a potential loss on the balance sheet as well,. If we sold him for £30m, he wouldn't be on the balance sheet to lose out on.

It's only one lot of £30m. And it's only £20m by the end of the season.

[Rossal]

Rossal

You're counting the same £30m twice, mate. He either can't be sold and we are out of a possible £30m fee or he stays and we lose his services which are valued at £30m. He can't leave and stay.

The £30m sale is the fact that a potential sale this summer has gone. Its £30M off the valuation sheet 

[wils]

Fraser and Manuel, you are both right - on his day he's among the most skilful players in the world, but 'on his day' is much rarer now than it used to be.

Makes me wonder if his patchy form is because of the scandal and investigation. 

If so, then if he gets cleared we might get the more consistent version back. If found guilty he probably won't be able to play anyway. So it's only for the rest of the month that we need to worry about it. 

Not that I disagree with this appraisal of his abilities, but there is more to this. It's not like he goes anonymous when he isn't in form, he makes costly mistakes. When he is bad it isn't that he isn't contributing its that he playing to the detriment of the team. I like what he is capable of but when he is playing like he has been recently the team is better off with a lesser player who just doesn't do much. I am glad he is out at the moment.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Rossal

You're counting the same £30m twice, mate. He either can't be sold and we are out of a possible £30m fee or he stays and we lose his services which are valued at £30m. He can't leave and stay.

[stubbo]

What sort of bookie takes a bet on him getting booked? He gets booked nearly every game he plays. What next? Betting on Alvarez getting booked!

I had a bet on Alvarez getting booked against Leicester. Bad times.

[El Scorchio]

Fraser and Manuel, you are both right - on his day he's among the most skilful players in the world, but 'on his day' is much rarer now than it used to be.

Makes me wonder if his patchy form is because of the scandal and investigation. 

If so, then if he gets cleared we might get the more consistent version back. If found guilty he probably won't be able to play anyway. So it's only for the rest of the month that we need to worry about it. 

Genuinely think it's a combination of things. There's no way this won;t have been affecting him to some extent. Let's also be real, he's not been really put in the best position to play to his potential under Moyes or Lop where it's clearly system first and slot best available player in later. (I'm fairly convinced he was another who fell out with Lop given his in/out of the team status) We're seeing it a bit more under Potter where Potter wants to put his best players in a position to contribute. You can see he's getting more out of the player with this approach.

Sure he may have been patchy/underwhelming for us at times, but if he wasn't any good then Man City (The Man City of last season, not this) wouldn't have been sniffing around him.

[Helmut Shown]

What sort of bookie takes a bet on him getting booked? He gets booked nearly every game he plays. What next? Betting on Alvarez getting booked!

[Gank]

Fraser and Manuel, you are both right - on his day he's among the most skilful players in the world, but 'on his day' is much rarer now than it used to be.

Makes me wonder if his patchy form is because of the scandal and investigation. 

If so, then if he gets cleared we might get the more consistent version back. If found guilty he probably won't be able to play anyway. So it's only for the rest of the month that we need to worry about it. 

[Rossal]

We're about £60M offside arent we if he gets a lifetime ban 

£30m sale for him and another £30m to replace him

I've not been his biggest fan the last few seasons but I would like to see what sort of tune Potter can get out of him. I agree he is guilty as hell, but lets up Sullivan has paid up for some decent lawyers and he isn't getting some bloke from University of East London on work experience! 

 

[fraser]

We play better when he’s not in the team.



 

Not sure about that Newcastle away, Villa away 2 of our best three performances this season along with Arsenal away.. He played in the first two and was good in both motm in one. 

The only good performance that we got a result in without him was Arsenal. 

He has lots of poor games but when he does play well so do we, he's played well more since Potter has arrived, as have a lot of our players. 

Haha! Sticking up for your pet again. He's had 2 or 3 good games in about a year ffs and even then no match changing moments, just decent He isn't anywhere near that level in the PL. Fwiw, as I've said before I'm not a hater, he can be OK and puts the graft in, but the fella cannot hurt defenses at this level no matter what you come out with.

Blimey I just saying there's no proof we play better without him, because of our three best performances this season he's played in 2 of them... Those are facts not opinions... Or do you disagree with what I said and have proof that we play better without him. 

I also said he's been poor in a lot of games.. 

What exactly are you disagreeing with? 

I don't think you even read what I'm saying and just see my name and Paqueta... 

You're responding to something I didn't say.. But you crack on son..

I knew you'd reply in an instant 

[Manuel]

We play better when he’s not in the team.



 

Not sure about that Newcastle away, Villa away 2 of our best three performances this season along with Arsenal away.. He played in the first two and was good in both motm in one. 

The only good performance that we got a result in without him was Arsenal. 

He has lots of poor games but when he does play well so do we, he's played well more since Potter has arrived, as have a lot of our players. 

Haha! Sticking up for your pet again. He's had 2 or 3 good games in about a year ffs and even then no match changing moments, just decent He isn't anywhere near that level in the PL. Fwiw, as I've said before I'm not a hater, he can be OK and puts the graft in, but the fella cannot hurt defenses at this level no matter what you can and inevitably will come out with.

[fraser]

We play better when he’s not in the team.

 

Not sure about that Newcastle away, Villa away 2 of our best three performances this season along with Arsenal away.. He played in the first two and was good in both motm in one. 

The only good performance that we got a result in without him was Arsenal. 

He has lots of poor games but when he does play well so do we, he's played well more since Potter has arrived, as have a lot of our players. 
 

[Nutsin]

We play better when he’s not in the team.
 

[Steady]

He’ll appeal if he loses, then it’ll drag on and go to the Court of Arbitration for review by which time he’ll be 35 and retired 

[fraser]

This going to go on and on if he's found guilty. Surely he can then take it to a court where he actually has to be proven guilty. 

[goose]

Let’s be honest, he’s as guilty as hell.

 

[Iron Duke]

The hearing will be this month and take three weeks. FA seeking a lifetime ban

[Mex Martillo]

Difficult, but I have time for him and Kudus, despite the crap they are giving us. Truth is the whole team are not very interested. Only Captain Bowen and the kids are turning up every week.

[El Scorchio]

He's only out for 1-2 weeks.

Well, maybe not for others, but for me that's good news.