September internationals

[Come On You Irons]

I'm struggling to comprehend what Marcus Rashford has done to merit starting for England.

[Massive Attack]

What am I letting down? You've called Eze a Golden Generation talent ffs

Gary Neville won 20 career trophies, you plank. Twenty. We're talking serial winners, not one off FA Cup winners.

Anyway, I think Bellingham & Rice are top notch. Palmer has had 1 good season, all the talent in the world but thick as pigshit, fingers crossed with him. If the right back James stays fit, he's a quality player. If Foden can get into his club side, maybe England can find a role for him.

The rest? Fuck all golden in there.

Bellingham top notch?  I beg to differ.

 

 

Big time. Proper shit hot Footballer. I actually place Palmer in the same category, I regard them both that special. We are very lucky to have them.

[Vexed]

Another baffling team from the noncey Roland Rat looking German. Maduake and Rogers are dross of the most beige variety, Livramento who doesn't even look good at club level and Anderson who is basically a clogger - presumably to appease Rice's Roy of the Rovers delusions. Reece 'better looking than my sister' James who had played about twelve minutes of football in the last decade and Konsa who is the own brand mild cheddar of centre backs. Not an ounce of creativity on the pitch, barely a player that is worthy of inclusion in the squad let alone a starting berth. Potter level ineptitude. Wouldn't be surprised if this was a draw, "tough place to go", "creditable draw", "professional performance from a young side", "oh the crowd said some naughty things to our sensitive pansy fuckin players" type coverage to follow. Cunts. 

What a load of shit international football is these days. 

[Tomshardware]

What am I letting down? You've called Eze a Golden Generation talent ffs

Gary Neville won 20 career trophies, you plank. Twenty. We're talking serial winners, not one off FA Cup winners.

Anyway, I think Bellingham & Rice are top notch. Palmer has had 1 good season, all the talent in the world but thick as pigshit, fingers crossed with him. If the right back James stays fit, he's a quality player. If Foden can get into his club side, maybe England can find a role for him.

The rest? Fuck all golden in there.

Bellingham top notch?  I beg to differ.

[Massive Attack]

As a slight aside Rice cracks me up. Obviously rate him highly but considering he's 27yo this season and in his 3rd season with Arsenal, his only Trophy win in his career is still the newly founded 3rd rate Europa Conference League Cup.

Should have gone elsewhere lad for regular Trophy winning.

[El Scorchio]

Same. I think we are far too soft and entitled. Don't feel there's the stomach for a fight. 

[Come On You Irons]

Think it will be a tough game this evening for England. 2-1 to Serbia is my prediction.

[Rossal]

What am I letting down? You've called Eze a Golden Generation talent ffs

Gary Neville won 20 career trophies, you plank. Twenty. We're talking serial winners, not one off FA Cup winners.

Anyway, I think Bellingham & Rice are top notch. Palmer has had 1 good season, all the talent in the world but thick as pigshit, fingers crossed with him. If the right back James stays fit, he's a quality player. If Foden can get into his club side, maybe England can find a role for him.

The rest? Fuck all golden in there.

I've explained it below. Aint going round in circles. Said my bit. Rather base players on their ability rather than the trophies their sides have won. 

[Eerie Decent]

What am I letting down? You've called Eze a Golden Generation talent ffs

Gary Neville won 20 career trophies, you plank. Twenty. We're talking serial winners, not one off FA Cup winners.

Anyway, I think Bellingham & Rice are top notch. Palmer has had 1 good season, all the talent in the world but thick as pigshit, fingers crossed with him. If the right back James stays fit, he's a quality player. If Foden can get into his club side, maybe England can find a role for him.

The rest? Fuck all golden in there.

[Rossal]

We could definitely be better than we are, but it's not even up for debate that we wasted much more talent in that particular era.

Rio, Terry, A.Cole, G Neville, Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, J.Cole, Beckham, Rooney, Owen. Each one a serial winner at club level.

We now have Dan Burn, Guehi, Elliott, Rashford, the right winger with the hair, Eze and the oil tanker up front.

Not even close.

But this is where you let yourself down. You pick the cream out of the years gone by then pick some squad players now. You're comparing Apples with fucking Potatoes. 

G Neville as wasted talent really? 

[Rossal]

Yeah, that's the point you plank, he's literally the only current player with a record anywhere near 10 players you could pick from the old lot, and he's not exactly been a regular starter for them over the years, although I think he's a good player. Same with Foden, is he even getting off the bench this season? You might as well use Scott Carson as an example.

Anyway, let's hope the Crystal Palace Golden Generation FA Cup winners can do the business next time.

 

 

Come back once Jude, Palmer, Foden, Rice etc have finished their careers then its fair to have a tally up. 

But if you read what I have said I mention the talent available for the tournaments we've previously failed at. Foden ..... PFA player of the year going into Euro 2024 and was shit. 

Cole Palmer outstanding......hardly used last summer.      Kane golden boot winner going into Euro 2020.   Trent 3x team of the season and 2x champions league team of season. Hardly used.  Rashford best ever season was the 2022 world cup season. Didnt start against France.   

I am not on about what they have done for England, i am saying the talent they have displayed for their clubs going into the last few tournaments has been world class.........that means that this generation/crop or whatever you want to call them is a huge failure if they walk away from the 4 tournament cycle with no winners medals. Given that most play in the prem which is undoubtedly the best league in the world  right now and that there is greater squad depth and greater talent pool to choose from than years gone by......for me it is a bigger failure. 

[Eerie Decent]

We could definitely be better than we are, but it's not even up for debate that we wasted much more talent in that particular era.

Rio, Terry, A.Cole, G Neville, Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, J.Cole, Beckham, Rooney, Owen. Each one a serial winner at club level.

We now have Dan Burn, Guehi, Elliott, Rashford, the right winger with the hair, Eze and the oil tanker up front.

Not even close.

[El Scorchio]

Seems a bit of a moot point to be arguing over. England hasn't won anything with either set of players- at least yet- so you can lump them all in as equal 'failures' internationally really.

The common denominator for both generations is poor/rigid/uninspiring coaching arguably wasting a crazy amount of talent (in the context of other English teams from other points in time) both times so far, though.

[Eerie Decent]

Yeah, that's the point you plank, he's literally the only current player with a record anywhere near 10 players you could pick from the old lot, and he's not exactly been a regular starter for them over the years, although I think he's a good player. Same with Foden, is he even getting off the bench this season? You might as well use Scott Carson as an example.

Anyway, let's hope the Crystal Palace Golden Generation FA Cup winners can do the business next time.

[Rossal]

Real Golden Generation - international trophies = ZERO

Crystal Palace Golden Generation - international trophies = ZERO

Do you want to do club trophies?

You won't be able to include Jon Stones and his 5 appearance league title medals to get you out of a hole.

Haha just make it up as you go along don't you. 

No wonder you don't want John Stones included. 

• Premier League: 2017–18, 2018–19, 2020–21, 2021–22, 2022–23, 2023–24[sup][131][/sup]
• FA Cup: 2018–19,[sup][132][/sup] 2022–23;[sup][133][/sup] runner-up: 2023–24[sup][134][/sup]
• EFL Cup: 2017–18,[sup][135][/sup] 2019–20[sup][136][/sup]
• FA Community Shield: 2018,[sup][137][/sup] 2019[sup][138][/sup]
• UEFA Champions League: 2022–23;[sup][139][/sup] runner-up: 2020–21[sup][140][/sup]
• UEFA Super Cup: 2023[sup][141][/sup]
• FIFA Club World Cup: 2023[sup][142][/sup]
• PFA Team of the Year: 2020–21 Premier League,[sup][50][/sup] 2022–23 Premier League[sup][70][/sup]
• ESM Team of the Year: 2020–21[sup][145][/sup]
• UEFA Champions League Team of the Season: 2022–23[sup][147][/sup]

[El Scorchio]

We've got some fucking good players now, probably aside from in defence and centre forward. We are spoiled for choice in a lot of mf/attacking positions and we absolutely should be doing better with what we have. Definitely in an attacking sense. Rice and Bellingham are pretty much as good as it gets in midfield and there are several options to make the third man in there. There's enough availability down both wings for us to be very effective there. There needs to be a better tactical set up to allow the players to flourish. There's a lot of pace and skill available to the manager.

However we've fuck all up front really. Reminds me a bit of Portugal when they had some great players and only Pauleta or that bloke who played for Spurs as choices up front. Dropping Kane is the answer, for someone who compliments the other players. I get he's our 'best' striker but I don't think he's the best fit.

Defence is a problem if you've got Dan Burn starting. After Guehi there's fuck all else. Stones is clearly not reliable to not be injured any more. We need someone fast and mobile there to counter what other sides like to do. I don't think there's a lot of use for a Dan Burn in international football, particularly against top sides, with what he brings. He'd get raped against a side like France. CB used to be a strength for us when we had fuck all in the way of attacking prowess and now wouldn't you know we've got an absolute paucity of class defenders. The full backs are all a little uninspiring as well. There's no real standout and I don't feel there's a plan or commitment to particular players. Again Reece James seems injured far too much. 'Trent' is not the answer there. Pickford is OK but he's not in the same league as the top keepers. Never really let us down in a big moment, though.

Attitude is a problem as well. I think some of these players think they can just coast and only turn it on when they want- Bellingham is our biggest problem here. He should be dominating games. He should be our workhorse, but he only seems to want to play in big games. Arrogant and with the wrong sort of chip on his shoulder. Thinks he's too big for it all. All the Spanish and German players, most of the French players, Messi- humble and more importantly playing for the team rather than themselves, realising it's the biggest honour in football. Bellingham is the opposite. Great player but seems to have a stinking attitude. Needs to take a leaf or two out of Rice's book. Saka refusing to play where the team needed him to in the Euros shows his true colours too. There's too many players playing for themselves rather than the team and looking selfishly at their own individual glory rather than winning together. I genuinely think Bowen should get more of a run. That guy plays for the team rather than himself. That's what we need. Saka and Madueke and Rashford are selfish players. I'd like to see more Eze and more Gordon. Maybe Grealish needs to come back as well. Foden is a total enigma for England but he's a team player. He'd look superb playing for Spain or France or Germany but England just don't get a tune out of him. However maybe his time has passed now.

Anyway, it's a conundrum. I'm not sure Tuchel is the man to solve it properly. He looks a bit out of ideas and has the team playing as less than the sum of their parts. They should have just made Klopp an offer he couldn't refuse if they were going foreign. 

God that went on for too long.

[Eerie Decent]

Real Golden Generation - international trophies = ZERO

Crystal Palace Golden Generation - international trophies = ZERO

Do you want to do club trophies?

You won't be able to include Jon Stones and his 5 appearance league title medals to get you out of a hole.

[Rossal]

Yeah, players you're comparing to the likes of Gerrard, Lampard & Scholes, who probably won about 50 trophies combined.

Anyway, you crack on with this current GOLDEN GENERATION son. Basically, Jude Bellingham.

QF specialists 

[Eerie Decent]

Yeah, players you're comparing to the likes of Gerrard, Lampard & Scholes, who probably won about 50 trophies combined.

Anyway, you crack on with this current GOLDEN GENERATION son. Basically, Jude Bellingham.

[Rossal]

Yeah, to think we could have a golden generational talent like him, scoring in an FA Cup final for Crystal Palace (CRYSTAL PALACE) the first big game of his career at the age of 27.

 

Same number of trophies as Declan Rice......his teammate now. 

[Eerie Decent]

Yeah, to think we could have a golden generational talent like him, scoring in an FA Cup final for Crystal Palace (CRYSTAL PALACE) the first big game of his career at the age of 27.
 

[Rossal]

If only we had Crystal Palace's Eze fit for one of the more recent knockout games.

Agreed he should have maybe used him.  Last cup final he had he scored the winner to give Palace their first ever trophy.  Cheers Southgate 

[Russ of the BML]

Should have won the home Euros final in 2021 if Gareth Waistcoat hadn’t taken Rice off for Henderson
And tried to be a smartarse with the penalty takers

May even have won in 2022 if Kane didn’t bottle his pen v France 

Spain were the better team in 2024 but picking the lazy cսnt Saka instead of Bowen meant poor Kyle Walker had to try and deal with the Spanish full back AND the match winner Williams with no assistance whatsoever 

Agree with all of that.

Southgate was rewarded for being a plucky loser. IMO the bloke should be slated for literally losing us 3 trophies. 

[Eerie Decent]

If only we had Crystal Palace's Eze fit for one of the more recent knockout games.

[Rossal]

In 2018 we had a very fortunate draw in the last 16 and the 2 decent teams we played we lost against. Croatia had played 2 games into extra time before us and still looked the fresher in the 2nd half. 

In 2021 we had all but 1 game at home. Strugged against Scotland at home and beat an average German team.

In 2024 we were so shite in the qualifying group. In fact pretty shite the whole tournament. Spain were much better and still are.

I think all those team should have and did win sweet FA. 

You get nothing for 2nd. 3rd or 8th 

Agreed, given the ability the players in those squad possessed we underperformed. For me, that was mainly down to the manager. But that doesnt take away from the fact that the ability the players in these squads had was as good as anything we have seen before. 

[Swiss.]

In 2018 we had a very fortunate draw in the last 16 and the 2 decent teams we played we lost against. Croatia had played 2 games into extra time before us and still looked the fresher in the 2nd half. 

In 2021 we had all but 1 game at home. Strugged against Scotland at home and beat an average German team.

In 2024 we were so shite in the qualifying group. In fact pretty shite the whole tournament. Spain were much better and still are.

I think all those team should have and did win sweet FA. 

You get nothing for 2nd. 3rd or 8th