September internationals

[Come On You Irons]

I'm struggling to comprehend what Marcus Rashford has done to merit starting for England.

[Rossal]

Yeah, that's the point you plank, he's literally the only current player with a record anywhere near 10 players you could pick from the old lot, and he's not exactly been a regular starter for them over the years, although I think he's a good player. Same with Foden, is he even getting off the bench this season? You might as well use Scott Carson as an example.

Anyway, let's hope the Crystal Palace Golden Generation FA Cup winners can do the business next time.

 

 

Come back once Jude, Palmer, Foden, Rice etc have finished their careers then its fair to have a tally up. 

But if you read what I have said I mention the talent available for the tournaments we've previously failed at. Foden ..... PFA player of the year going into Euro 2024 and was shit. 

Cole Palmer outstanding......hardly used last summer.      Kane golden boot winner going into Euro 2020.   Trent 3x team of the season and 2x champions league team of season. Hardly used.  Rashford best ever season was the 2022 world cup season. Didnt start against France.   

I am not on about what they have done for England, i am saying the talent they have displayed for their clubs going into the last few tournaments has been world class.........that means that this generation/crop or whatever you want to call them is a huge failure if they walk away from the 4 tournament cycle with no winners medals. Given that most play in the prem which is undoubtedly the best league in the world  right now and that there is greater squad depth and greater talent pool to choose from than years gone by......for me it is a bigger failure. 

[Eerie Decent]

We could definitely be better than we are, but it's not even up for debate that we wasted much more talent in that particular era.

Rio, Terry, A.Cole, G Neville, Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, J.Cole, Beckham, Rooney, Owen. Each one a serial winner at club level.

We now have Dan Burn, Guehi, Elliott, Rashford, the right winger with the hair, Eze and the oil tanker up front.

Not even close.

[El Scorchio]

Seems a bit of a moot point to be arguing over. England hasn't won anything with either set of players- at least yet- so you can lump them all in as equal 'failures' internationally really.

The common denominator for both generations is poor/rigid/uninspiring coaching arguably wasting a crazy amount of talent (in the context of other English teams from other points in time) both times so far, though.

[Eerie Decent]

Yeah, that's the point you plank, he's literally the only current player with a record anywhere near 10 players you could pick from the old lot, and he's not exactly been a regular starter for them over the years, although I think he's a good player. Same with Foden, is he even getting off the bench this season? You might as well use Scott Carson as an example.

Anyway, let's hope the Crystal Palace Golden Generation FA Cup winners can do the business next time.

[Rossal]

Real Golden Generation - international trophies = ZERO

Crystal Palace Golden Generation - international trophies = ZERO

Do you want to do club trophies?

You won't be able to include Jon Stones and his 5 appearance league title medals to get you out of a hole.

Haha just make it up as you go along don't you. 

No wonder you don't want John Stones included. 

• Premier League: 2017–18, 2018–19, 2020–21, 2021–22, 2022–23, 2023–24[sup][131][/sup]
• FA Cup: 2018–19,[sup][132][/sup] 2022–23;[sup][133][/sup] runner-up: 2023–24[sup][134][/sup]
• EFL Cup: 2017–18,[sup][135][/sup] 2019–20[sup][136][/sup]
• FA Community Shield: 2018,[sup][137][/sup] 2019[sup][138][/sup]
• UEFA Champions League: 2022–23;[sup][139][/sup] runner-up: 2020–21[sup][140][/sup]
• UEFA Super Cup: 2023[sup][141][/sup]
• FIFA Club World Cup: 2023[sup][142][/sup]
• PFA Team of the Year: 2020–21 Premier League,[sup][50][/sup] 2022–23 Premier League[sup][70][/sup]
• ESM Team of the Year: 2020–21[sup][145][/sup]
• UEFA Champions League Team of the Season: 2022–23[sup][147][/sup]

[El Scorchio]

We've got some fucking good players now, probably aside from in defence and centre forward. We are spoiled for choice in a lot of mf/attacking positions and we absolutely should be doing better with what we have. Definitely in an attacking sense. Rice and Bellingham are pretty much as good as it gets in midfield and there are several options to make the third man in there. There's enough availability down both wings for us to be very effective there. There needs to be a better tactical set up to allow the players to flourish. There's a lot of pace and skill available to the manager.

However we've fuck all up front really. Reminds me a bit of Portugal when they had some great players and only Pauleta or that bloke who played for Spurs as choices up front. Dropping Kane is the answer, for someone who compliments the other players. I get he's our 'best' striker but I don't think he's the best fit.

Defence is a problem if you've got Dan Burn starting. After Guehi there's fuck all else. Stones is clearly not reliable to not be injured any more. We need someone fast and mobile there to counter what other sides like to do. I don't think there's a lot of use for a Dan Burn in international football, particularly against top sides, with what he brings. He'd get raped against a side like France. CB used to be a strength for us when we had fuck all in the way of attacking prowess and now wouldn't you know we've got an absolute paucity of class defenders. The full backs are all a little uninspiring as well. There's no real standout and I don't feel there's a plan or commitment to particular players. Again Reece James seems injured far too much. 'Trent' is not the answer there. Pickford is OK but he's not in the same league as the top keepers. Never really let us down in a big moment, though.

Attitude is a problem as well. I think some of these players think they can just coast and only turn it on when they want- Bellingham is our biggest problem here. He should be dominating games. He should be our workhorse, but he only seems to want to play in big games. Arrogant and with the wrong sort of chip on his shoulder. Thinks he's too big for it all. All the Spanish and German players, most of the French players, Messi- humble and more importantly playing for the team rather than themselves, realising it's the biggest honour in football. Bellingham is the opposite. Great player but seems to have a stinking attitude. Needs to take a leaf or two out of Rice's book. Saka refusing to play where the team needed him to in the Euros shows his true colours too. There's too many players playing for themselves rather than the team and looking selfishly at their own individual glory rather than winning together. I genuinely think Bowen should get more of a run. That guy plays for the team rather than himself. That's what we need. Saka and Madueke and Rashford are selfish players. I'd like to see more Eze and more Gordon. Maybe Grealish needs to come back as well. Foden is a total enigma for England but he's a team player. He'd look superb playing for Spain or France or Germany but England just don't get a tune out of him. However maybe his time has passed now.

Anyway, it's a conundrum. I'm not sure Tuchel is the man to solve it properly. He looks a bit out of ideas and has the team playing as less than the sum of their parts. They should have just made Klopp an offer he couldn't refuse if they were going foreign. 

God that went on for too long.

[Eerie Decent]

Real Golden Generation - international trophies = ZERO

Crystal Palace Golden Generation - international trophies = ZERO

Do you want to do club trophies?

You won't be able to include Jon Stones and his 5 appearance league title medals to get you out of a hole.

[Rossal]

Yeah, players you're comparing to the likes of Gerrard, Lampard & Scholes, who probably won about 50 trophies combined.

Anyway, you crack on with this current GOLDEN GENERATION son. Basically, Jude Bellingham.

QF specialists 

[Eerie Decent]

Yeah, players you're comparing to the likes of Gerrard, Lampard & Scholes, who probably won about 50 trophies combined.

Anyway, you crack on with this current GOLDEN GENERATION son. Basically, Jude Bellingham.

[Rossal]

Yeah, to think we could have a golden generational talent like him, scoring in an FA Cup final for Crystal Palace (CRYSTAL PALACE) the first big game of his career at the age of 27.

 

Same number of trophies as Declan Rice......his teammate now. 

[Eerie Decent]

Yeah, to think we could have a golden generational talent like him, scoring in an FA Cup final for Crystal Palace (CRYSTAL PALACE) the first big game of his career at the age of 27.
 

[Rossal]

If only we had Crystal Palace's Eze fit for one of the more recent knockout games.

Agreed he should have maybe used him.  Last cup final he had he scored the winner to give Palace their first ever trophy.  Cheers Southgate 

[Russ of the BML]

Should have won the home Euros final in 2021 if Gareth Waistcoat hadn’t taken Rice off for Henderson
And tried to be a smartarse with the penalty takers

May even have won in 2022 if Kane didn’t bottle his pen v France 

Spain were the better team in 2024 but picking the lazy cսnt Saka instead of Bowen meant poor Kyle Walker had to try and deal with the Spanish full back AND the match winner Williams with no assistance whatsoever 

Agree with all of that.

Southgate was rewarded for being a plucky loser. IMO the bloke should be slated for literally losing us 3 trophies. 

[Eerie Decent]

If only we had Crystal Palace's Eze fit for one of the more recent knockout games.

[Rossal]

In 2018 we had a very fortunate draw in the last 16 and the 2 decent teams we played we lost against. Croatia had played 2 games into extra time before us and still looked the fresher in the 2nd half. 

In 2021 we had all but 1 game at home. Strugged against Scotland at home and beat an average German team.

In 2024 we were so shite in the qualifying group. In fact pretty shite the whole tournament. Spain were much better and still are.

I think all those team should have and did win sweet FA. 

You get nothing for 2nd. 3rd or 8th 

Agreed, given the ability the players in those squad possessed we underperformed. For me, that was mainly down to the manager. But that doesnt take away from the fact that the ability the players in these squads had was as good as anything we have seen before. 

[Swiss.]

In 2018 we had a very fortunate draw in the last 16 and the 2 decent teams we played we lost against. Croatia had played 2 games into extra time before us and still looked the fresher in the 2nd half. 

In 2021 we had all but 1 game at home. Strugged against Scotland at home and beat an average German team.

In 2024 we were so shite in the qualifying group. In fact pretty shite the whole tournament. Spain were much better and still are.

I think all those team should have and did win sweet FA. 

You get nothing for 2nd. 3rd or 8th 

[Rossal]

I'm not trying to score points son, I'm trying to understand the madness if your claim.

We've gone from this being a Golden Generation, to having better subs that the actual Golden Generation. Blimey.

Look at some of the shit this mob have lost to in tournaments, Croatia 2018 for a start. Italy in that final were a poor team there for the taking. The old lot were getting knocked out by the likes of Brazil with Ronadinho in his pomp.

If you think this current crop match the original mob, with a chunk of the players you named not even being able to get a start at their clubs, then fair enough.

Eze has made me proper LOL to be fair.

But this crop is not the crop of 2018 is it?   I mentioned 4 tournaments.  2020,2022,2024,2026.   

I agree they should have won something as they are a incredibly talented group. 

Lets not pretend International football is any less now, it was Brazil back then. Its the likes of Spain and France (who knocked us out) nowadays.   The original mob for however amazing they were couldn't get past the QF and couldn't take pens.  This lot have 2 finals under their belts and arguably have a stronger pool to choose from for the WC next year which includes Eze (why you don't rate him i don't know). 

If we didn't have Southgate for the two finals then there probably wouldn't be any debate. 

[Eerie Decent]

I'm not trying to score points son, I'm trying to understand the madness if your claim.

We've gone from this being a Golden Generation, to having better subs that the actual Golden Generation. Blimey.

Look at some of the shit this mob have lost to in tournaments, Croatia 2018 for a start. Italy in that final were a poor team there for the taking. The old lot were getting knocked out by the likes of Brazil with Ronadinho in his pomp.

If you think this current crop match the original mob, with a chunk of the players you named not even being able to get a start at their clubs, then fair enough.

Eze has made me proper LOL to be fair.

[Rossal]

I can't believe what I'm reading here.

A 27 year old who has spent his career so far at Crystal Palace, being named as part of a GOLDEN GENERATION of England players, and after that, a load of subs.

You're a plank, Rossal.

Yep just take one point, run away with something sensational to try and score a point. Nice one. I don't have you down as one of the thicko's on here but I will explain it in more detail for you so you can finally understand. 

Eze is a terrific player, and with him not even making the 11 most likely shows how strong the squad is for the upcoming tournament, One of the strongest in the world infact. After a few near misses this for me is their final chance to fulfil their potential and get over the line. If they don't then the FA have failed to capitalise on the talent available for the last 4 tournaments. 

The golden generation you mention of 04/06 had Darius Vassell, Jermaine Jenas and a 16 year old uncapped winger on the bench btw. 

[Eerie Decent]

I can't believe what I'm reading here.

A 27 year old who has spent his career so far at Crystal Palace, being named as part of a GOLDEN GENERATION of England players, and after that, a load of subs.

You're a plank, Rossal.

[Massive Attack]

With regards to tonight's game, I reckon it's not going to be pretty. 2-0

[Massive Attack]

For me the Top class players (although some not currently in form) England have are:

Pickford**
Bellingham 
Palmer
Foden
Saka
Rice 

Kane*


*Although I do think old Father Time has just about caught up with him, he was one of the best regular goalscorers about in modern times

**I think his contribution has been underrated to our National sides cause. International level I think he's more than held his own

I think there might be more additions of quality youth players that could well enhance that lot further still. Max Dowman could be 1 to watch at Arsenal if he takes his chance.

England have a nucleus of real quality that could and probably should have produced a Trophy or 2 by now having twice come so close. Still a chance we could within the next 10 years if managed by the right Coach. Tuchel though aint that man. Someone like Howe could be.

Sooner we ditch the clueless Kraut the better though..

[BRANDED]

England are deffo top 20 in the World. 

[Rossal]

Bellingham is a sensational player. Rice is top notch.

The others, putting aside Palmer who could be brilliant but has barely played for England, golden generation? Blimey.

Ferdinand, Terry, A.Cole, Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, Owen, Rooney. Proper players, serial winners at club level, produced consistently at the very top level, couldn't reproduce for England due to club rivalries.

You've just named me a right back that can't defend, a centre back that plays about 5 games a season for his club, a lazy cսnt who his manager said he would rather play the fitness coach instead of, and someone who has spent his career at CRYSTAL FUCKING PALACE

Do me a favour, Rossal.

"For the past few years we are lucky enough to have plenty of world class options all over the pitch, especially in attack when all firing"

When at their best they are world class players. Trent has just signed for Real Madrid after winning it all here. Stones won it all. Rashford was world class leading up to Euro 2020.   Eze has just signed for Arsenal ffs, and was massive in winning Palace their only ever trophies. 

So yeah, the crop the last few years have won as much and are as good as the 04/06 lot.......they should have won something already.........and if they don't the next few years will be a spectacular failure. 

[Eerie Decent]

Bellingham is a sensational player. Rice is top notch.

The others, putting aside Palmer who could be brilliant but has barely played for England, golden generation? Blimey.

Ferdinand, Terry, A.Cole, Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, Owen, Rooney. Proper players, serial winners at club level, produced consistently at the very top level, couldn't reproduce for England due to club rivalries.

You've just named me a right back that can't defend, a centre back that plays about 5 games a season for his club, a lazy cսnt who his manager said he would rather play the fitness coach instead of, and someone who has spent his career at CRYSTAL FUCKING PALACE

Do me a favour, Rossal.